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General => Practical Knots => Topic started by: knot4u on September 03, 2010, 12:39:04 AM

Title: Is this a bowline?
Post by: knot4u on September 03, 2010, 12:39:04 AM
Is this a bowline (i.e., ABOK #1010)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESo9FZuIAHo

I don't think it is.
Title: Re: Is this a bowline?
Post by: SS369 on September 03, 2010, 03:09:36 AM
it looks like it is what is called the "tugboat bowline/flying bowline" ABOK #1035, as this link shows. 
http://www.layhands.com/Knots/Knots_SingleLoops.htm#PerfectionLoop (http://www.layhands.com/Knots/Knots_SingleLoops.htm#PerfectionLoop)

Hope this helps.

Scott
Title: Re: Is this a bowline?
Post by: knot4u on September 03, 2010, 05:10:45 AM
it looks like it is what is called the "tugboat bowline/flying bowline" ABOK #1035, as this link shows.  
http://www.layhands.com/Knots/Knots_SingleLoops.htm#PerfectionLoop (http://www.layhands.com/Knots/Knots_SingleLoops.htm#PerfectionLoop)

Hope this helps.

Scott

I think that's it, thanks.  How are the properties of this knot relative to the Bowline Loop?
Title: Re: Is this a bowline?
Post by: SS369 on September 03, 2010, 01:58:17 PM
I happen to like these knots particularly well.
No scientific basis for me, just my gut saying that they could be more secure than the standard bowline.
I generally use them with a second wrap of the working end or slipped. I've put some heavy loads, ie, tree work, on the tugboat knot and didn't have any difficulty undoing it.

Perhaps you will enjoy reading > http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=112.0 (http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=112.0)

SS
Title: Re: Is this a bowline?
Post by: Dan_Lehman on September 04, 2010, 08:10:50 PM
As noted, the depicted knot is the so-called "Flying Bowline",
which by my conception is not a *bowline* but something
else, with a (reverse) Crossing Knot base.  Ashley shows a
similar knot as #1034, which can also be quickly tied, though
not with such video-propagating dazzle.

An issue with the shown knot is stability (frankly, I'm skeptical
that the razzle-dazzle "flying" tying will work on many ropes);
as Scott notes, a 2nd wrap of the end can be helpful.

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