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KC

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Knot Terms
« on: January 13, 2020, 11:30:18 AM »
IGKT.net Home Page:
"...The excellent and comprehensive Glossary of Knotting and Ropemaking Terms by Robert Birch, described in the recent Knotting Matters can be found HERE ... "
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Very nice contribution, and shows some leadership to world from IGKT!!
>>i always thought this should be the place to show such definitive things.
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i have my own names/understandings and am sure others have contentions etc. but this is a very real, strong contribution for sure!
>>i think of hitch as simply termination of force flow, like end of wire screwed or soldered to terminal
>>vs Bend as a force pass-thru, joint >>all to electrical force flow view thru different type of delivery pipe for different force.
but i guess we all ahve our own..
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It does use strength, instead of efficiency where line is temporarily handicapped by position, but i guess that is more understandable by the populace.
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KC

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Re: Knot Terms
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2020, 12:11:59 PM »
i think Classification section should include Binding besides bend/hitch/stop usage functions
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Nice in depth version, perhaps beckons lighter version for faster/normal/newbie attention span and digestible depth
>>entry path that is contiguous, to this end of just wider understanding of same concepts presented from day_1
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Eye knot should be fixed, shrinking and hybrid to running perhaps?
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Perhaps too conceptual , but to me:
Hitch (function): termination point of rope force; force pass to other than rope end/force flow termination to termination
>>Friction Hitch seems to break definition, until prescribe that it piggy backs on side as floats and grips on host line as a STRAIGHT rail, not as fixed position/but FLOATING force pass point of other rope like Bend , but ridden like non-rope rail so seen as Hitch , not Bend
Bend (function): continuation FIXED joint of rope force end to end force wise and curl to each other form their straight runs, as non adjustable; NOT like Friction Hitch force pass
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i think the humble Single (Simple) Hitch got short changed, perhaps because doesn't play nice on round spar??
As per ABoK #1594 "The end of the rope is nipped under the standing part against an edge or shoulder, and if the adjustment is good the knot is secure..." that a round host spar can't provide.  Sometimes other rope parts give 'rope guides' to align critical parts on a host mount that is missing such attributes; now temporarily lent to host.
Very different than Half Hitch whom Nips on load side of host mount, rather than the ante/opposing side of host mount/support like Single
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The Slippery Hitch crossing will want to rotate to the Load Leg side (from Control Leg side shown)
toward source of pull(Load), just like a Clove Hitch crossing placed on top will pull towards center of Load Leg side
>>use the increase to tighter  forces in rope to hold crossing on Control Leg side half way point, so doesn't rotate to Load Leg side half way point!
CONSTANT, PURE DOWNWARD PRESSURE MUST BE MAINTAINED
Works better on larger mount, with more distance between radial degrees of change/easier to hit w/o finer tuning...
>>also higher CoF of tree, but still workable on steel pole
« Last Edit: January 22, 2020, 02:29:15 PM by KC »
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Dan_Lehman

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Re: Knot Terms
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2020, 02:01:45 AM »
IGKT.net Home Page:
"...The excellent and comprehensive Glossary of Knotting and Ropemaking Terms by Robert Birch, described in the recent Knotting Matters can be found HERE ... "
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Very nice contribution, and shows some leadership to world from IGKT!!
All that the IGKT did was to publish non-member Birch's
[edit 2020-01-26s : happily, I see that he now IS a member!]
article, though --more like followership, that, but fine.
And Birch left no PoC to chase after him for dialogue.

While I can recognize much of his talk from things that
have occurred in the IGKT forum, there is also much I
take issue with --or which present problems maybe
better avoided.  But nomenclature is a tough nut to crack!

 ;)
« Last Edit: January 26, 2020, 09:15:40 PM by Dan_Lehman »

KC

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Re: Knot Terms
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2020, 11:06:46 AM »
                    Service Offering and Visible Leadership
i think is best way to see this; perhaps because that is what first came looking for and now perhaps see a glance of.
Whether they paid for it, or gifted from inside or outside
>>Is presentation on world stage from large credible, independent, that sounds removed from the sales game and is just to art of standards and protocols etc.
>>more towards a ruling, standards setting organization of governing service; than a player.
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i think could also use a 1 page cheat sheet of abbreviations in box at top  >> to expand 'library'
>>and some more towards knot specialty terms of Nip, Bend etc.  >> 1 line or half line definition/chart style
As an at-a-glance, almost up to speed offering
>> early teens and up reading level
Whom else would be so poised to write/present some sort of standard definitions recognized by all?
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Still trying to draw out of self more of problems saw and resolved in Hitch/Half Hitch story; especially as goes on to a variety of things called Half Hitch that drove me crazy trying to figure out WHY same name for so long, and WHY is Single a FULL Hitch and Half sounds like less..
>>that extends to HH in Killick(?)#1733 and tho laced the same how is different in Kelleg(?)#271  both of HH preceding Timber Hitch but producing force differences of Bowline vs.  Sheep Shank respectively in the primary arc off of SPart, witnessed by how stiff the 'Nipping Loop' is, whether in Bowline or on spar etc.
But, perhaps those technicals are for another chase/thread; keep this one about the paper/contribution.
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