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General => Fancy and Decorative Knotwork => Fancy Knotwork Tutorials => Topic started by: bowhunt1 on January 06, 2009, 02:48:07 PM
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I found a survival bracelet on ebay and was curious if anyone knew the real name of this braid? If anyone knows how I can learn to tie this I would be forever grateful to learn how. The link below will get you to the ebay page. if not then just go to ebay and type survival bracelet into ebay's search. Thank you for your help.
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=survival+bracelet&_sacat=See-All-Categories
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Mr. Stormdrane can help you along in your journey... "The knot used for the bracelet has a few different names, cobra stitch, Solomon bar, and Portuguese sinnet."
http://www.instructables.com/id/Paracord-bracelet-with-a-side-release-buckle/
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Interesting that a few of the bracelets have a single strand around the shackle pin,
though most have three!? (Red,White,&Blue, Red & Black, & one other have one).
:)
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I thought the purpose of a survival bracelet is to have a nice long piece of cord to have for emergency use. I would think that the whole thing would be made from the same piece of cord for maximum length? This wold imply that a survival bracelet should be all the same color, and like the Stormdrane example. I have one comment on the Stormdrane example about melting the ends; don't get too carried away melting the ends to the surrounding line. The purpose of the bracelet is to have a usable length of cord that would be relatively easy to deploy. If it takes a knife to untie the knot, and the ends start fraying, it will get shorter every time you use the line.
I have a better idea. Just keep a nice length of paracord in your pocket with the ends already finished. Easy to use, easy to store, and always handy when you want to want to tie knots.
Pat
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I thought the purpose of a survival bracelet is to have a nice long piece of cord to have for emergency use.
I had a similar thought.
On the other hand, what's the likelihood of needing a full length--and one unknottedly so long--
vs. needing more than a single piece? How long is this, anyway? I'm coming around to thinking
that more pieces to use is much more likely valuable than one long length. Of course, if a knife
is a fundamental survival element, one long length readily becomes the number needed!
Just keep a nice length of paracord in your pocket with the ends already finished. Easy to use, easy to store, and always handy when you want to want to tie knots.
Better, have a survival belt vs. a mere bracelet!
;)
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That's true about having a nice long piece of line vs short lengths. I remember when I was a volunteer firefighter responding to an oil spill on a lake. We were deploying oil booms at the spillway, and we needed some small line. I had some of my nice hard twist cotton in my pocket, and I was agast to see my buddies cutting it, and not taping off the ends, to secure the oil booms. Ever since then I kept some hardware store mason line with my gear. I'm not a volunteer firefighter any more, but I still keep a nice hank of line that I wouldn't mind using for oil booms in my disaster kit.
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When tying one per link in post #2, how do you easily untie it when it is needed for emergency. The only other method I have found thats easy to untie is this one (http://www.paracordbraiding.com/survival.htm), but I'm not sure it can be done with the buckles.
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OK, I don't know what I'm doing wrong here. When I try to untie this thing, as in an emergency, all i get is a bunch of square knots that I have to untie individually. I thought the idea of this thing was to pull it apart easily and have onle long length of cord without all the knots?
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Hello Mike,
What you should have is a separate cord inside of the square knots, or sennit if you will. You can pull the second cord from inside the sennit and that will give you a long enough cord to use for first aid, tie something down, or maybe tie something together. If you need additional cordage, you can untie the bracelet itself and tie it to the cord you removed from the sennit. Does any of this make sense to you? For my dock lines, I use 3/4 inch 3 strand rope tied in a bowline on a bight. This forms two loops that I can attach to the dock cleat. For chafing protection, I have tied this sennit over both of the double loops with 3mm braided nylon fishing line. The only thing that has square knots is the 3mm fishing line. The double loops are inside the sennit. Dang...Hope I didn't confuse you with all of that.
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I think I understand it. I was just under the impression that you could just pull the bracelet apart with one motion and have one long piece. I didn't realize that you have to unite all the knots. I must be thinking of another tying method, like the chain sinnet.
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That's just it, you don't untie the sennit part unless you need it. :) In all fairness though, there are several different methods out there and they all use the term "Survival Bracelet". Most of them are a plain old Solomon Bar Sennit, but you can pack in as much cord as you feel comfortable with, and then tie the sennit over the removable cord. This will give you the quick line you are looking for, and some additional line from the sennit itself if needed. If you make the bracelet with the chain sennit, you can pull it out very quicky, but then you lack the advantage of any additional cord. Imagination is the limit on this one.
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Hey Mike,
I had the same thought when I started making Solomon Bars, but I quickly found out they didn't work quite like I expected. I did put together something else that could be unraveled much more quickly though. (Of course, I?m sure others thought of it before me :))
I don't have my ABOK with me, so I don't know the exact name of the macram? I'm thinking of, but it's something along the lines of a Banister Bar, but using only one strand of rope. You can tie half hitches down a line, resulting in a spiral, or, if you want it to sit better on your wrist, you can force the half-hitches to line up in a straight line or alternate them, so they look like half of a Solomon Bar. This way, you can pull the whole thing apart at one time, (of course, I personally prefer the look of the Solomon Bar, but this one is much quicker to untie.) My camera's out of juice, but I'll pick up some batteries tonight so I can show you what I'm talking about.
PS. JD of TIAT has an awesome video about tying a Slat's Rescue Belt that can be untied all at once too.
Thanks,
Son of Liberty
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Thanks for the replies. :)
Where can I find some good instructions on making some nice looking wrapping around a pole for a walking stick?
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Here's a nice one for inspiration from Don W:
http://www.khww.net/photogallery.php?album_id=60&rowstart=96 (http://www.khww.net/photogallery.php?album_id=60&rowstart=96)
The grid I just put up would look nice, hint, hint. LOL
http://khww.net/articles.php?article_id=145 (http://khww.net/articles.php?article_id=145)
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Cockscombing is the way to go for walking sticks. Skyout has provided some excellent links, but any instructions you can find on cockscombing will be useful.
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Cockscombing is the way to go for walking sticks. Skyout has provided some excellent links, but any instructions you can find on cockscombing will be useful.
Try Vince's site:
http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutorials/coxcombing/coxcombing.html (http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutorials/coxcombing/coxcombing.html)
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Wow great links, thanks. That stuff looks pretty hard & advanced. I think i will start with a simple whipping first, just something to give my walking stick a little grip.
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Mike, the French hitching (basic coxcombing) is only one line doing one "half hitch" after the other; easy to learn and would look good on your walking stick.
Click the link/go to Chapter 10/click "coxcombing".
http://books.google.com/books?id=eIsyaFWrwxAC&pg=PT9&dq=coxcombing+knot&cd=1#v=onepage&q=coxcombing%20knot&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=eIsyaFWrwxAC&pg=PT9&dq=coxcombing+knot&cd=1#v=onepage&q=coxcombing%20knot&f=false)
A simple Turks Head on each end to cover up the start and finish would look good, too.
Patrick Ducey has a grid for the 3 part x 4 bright TH here:
http://khww.net/viewpage.php?page_id=25 (http://khww.net/viewpage.php?page_id=25)
The same link has a nice tut for a little larger TH by Loren Damewood that is tied in hand. It's a nice tut because Loren ties the TH on the front of his hand rather than turning his hand over and over.
One thing I've learned is to not give up on these knots. There are so many talented people that are willing to help, just ask if you run into a snag.
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I decided to try somethn else besides the bracelet. I took 20+ feet of 550 cord and folded it in half a few times and the last time was through a steel ring. Then I used another 10 feet and made the solomen bar around it. Now I have 30 feet I can throw in my backpack or hang it wherever till I need it. I could of easily just balled it up and stuffed it somewhere, but it wouldn't look neat that way. Here's a pic.
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5859/dscn1897n.jpg)
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Hi,
Firstly, the post and picture above me is a very good example of the Survival Bracelet. A couple of things to consider. If you are making it for fashion it's fun to use three (I have even used four) colours in a bracelet. For me personally, the results can look very beautiful especially when you have a block colour for the main bracelet and then the outer weave just edging along.
However, it's important to remember that the idea behind the bracelet is that its for survival so untangling a bracelet when its required for a survival task and ending up with four coloured sections of cord all to short to be used really defeats the object. The technique for survival is to create as many strands as possible to weave in the bracelets core. This way you can achieve a wider bar which increases the bracelets abillity to store cord without becoming uncomfortable. I have created a page dedicated to demonstrating the Survival Bracelet (http://www.paracordbracelet.co.uk/How_To_Tutorials/Make_Paracord_Bracelet.htm) knot and the actual use of paracord (mainly in a Survival Kit (http://www.paracordbracelet.co.uk)) I hope to expand on this with videos.
If anyone would like any help on creating their own bracelets or knotting techniques for this please PM me and I am very happy to help!
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I always carry extra emergency line in a small coil....
There is a method of securing a long length of light line into a circular roll that I use for my ice fishing safety line. I learned it from the guys in 103 Rescue Helicopter Sqn. They use it to secure the drop line and when it is dropped the line unties as it falls. Try this with some para cord. It is a great way to carry a long cord in a compact manner.
Take five rounds of the line and form a coil about 10 inches across. Use masking tape and put a single strip around the coil at four points [it rips away easily]. The remainer of the line is secured around this coil by slipping loops of line, alternating left, right, left, right, under, over, under over, into each other. Work the slip loops through to the end of the line and secure it.
When needed, simply untie the securing knot and pull on the end of the line. It will unravel quickly.
I hope this explanation makes sense. I will try to do one up and take some pictures for posting later. Or... if someone else already has this one on file perhaps they could share... PTYFNA. D.
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:D Be warned! Knotting can become addictive!
I came across a Survival Bracelet whilst doing some research for a Company and thought - "I can do that". I did just the same as you and went onto eBay.
There were a couple of people selling (I'm in the UK) kits so I bought one to have a go at - and was hooked! Stormdrane has already be mentioned. Also go to YouTube - there are some great videos there - especially from TIAT - check it out - this is a hobby you will never be bored with because there is so much to learn!
For my survival bracelet I tend to use 2 lengths of 10ft with a buckle containing a whistle. These are a bit big and bulky to wear (unless you do have rather big wrists) so I always suggest clipping them to a rucksack or something similar. It's just a neat way of carrying a large length of useful paracord.
Happy knotting!
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Okay, no luck with the pictures but.....
I knew I had seen the slip loops somewhere = ABOK P.472, #2686. This type of chain sinnet is tied around the 4 or 5 strands that you tape together in the middle. The first round is usually pretty sloppy but you can keep applying the chain 3 or 4 times. It gets much neater on the second round and real tidy on the 3rd. and 4th. I still working on the graphics. ZUJ. D
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I wish I had thought of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss-I9Ad6H5g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss-I9Ad6H5g)
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I agree asemery, wish i had thought of it too. I came up with this a while back don't know if someone else though it up too and if they did, what it is called.
(http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss113/2wood/rope%20and%20leather/007-1.jpg)
(http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss113/2wood/rope%20and%20leather/008-1.jpg)
Sorry the pics are blurry. My camera doesn't do close-ups well.
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That's the phoenix tail (http://www.mresource.com/fiber/coepart2/phoenixknot.htm (http://www.mresource.com/fiber/coepart2/phoenixknot.htm)) knot in Chinese knotting tradition. JD calls it the zipper sinnet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBTRs7Avk0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBTRs7Avk0)). It probably has other names.
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Going back to the comment about burning and melting the ends in place, i prefer the method where you take the two ends and tuck them under the weave for an inch. The weave holds the ends tight, then if you ever need to use it you tug the ends out and undo the bracelet. A king cobra bracelet on a medium size wrist could hold about 15 foot of paracord.
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It looks to me like the Andy Smith version from asemery's post is alternating front and back loop tucks, whereas the phoenix tail/zipper sinnet version from knotme and JD is always loop-tucked from the front. Does anyone else see this? It gives a different appearance but no different function because they all come undone readily when you need them to do so.
SR