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roy chapman

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Re: A New Stopper Knot?
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2005, 08:48:55 AM »
Hi Jimbo, I never went away.  "Forever" is great in mono filiment and baleing twine.  Perhaps in marital bliss.  As long as one underatands the final result... go for it.  Many knots jam as if welded.  Somtimes good and sometimes bad.  I sort of thought the subject was "stopper knots" (and then made the unforgiveable leap to "untieable knots").  I am 60 today and have slipped into early "oldtimers" without a blink.  Stupid of me to think of stoppers as being untied from time to time.  I need to rethink this whole "stopper mess".  When buiding my house I was putting some washers in my pocket.  One has to put holes in every stud for wire.  If you need to tie off on that stud... if a stopper won't work put a washer on the line and then tie a stopper.  Just a thought.    


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Re: A New Stopper Knot?
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2005, 07:53:59 PM »
Jimbo; Well, I've thought about it and I still want to be able to untie the stopper knot.  So the ones that jam are of little use to me.  And the "cigar" tail (the working end) left sticking out is just the thing for getting a start on the untieing process.  I'm still playing around with the original knot posted at the beginning of this thread and haven't decided yet.  It does seem to jam a bit.  It also seems to not bulk larger than the Oysterman's Stopper.  It looks larger.  But it still pulls through the same size holes.  


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Re: A New Stopper Knot?
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2005, 10:35:47 PM »

And the "turban" look in Ashley's Oysterman's (son of Thrain, son of Dain, son of Throth, son of Pika, lord of the Talus on the High Mountains  ;D) Stopper might look better with four "{whatever-you-wanna-call-it}"s instead of three.  How does the "nip the end rule" make the "curvy bits" come out to four?  Double the OH before you "nip the end", perhaps?

Yes, Ashley's Stopper (eschew the "oysterman's" myth) simply gets one
extra turban tuck as it were, and when the end's brought up around
the edge into the S.Part's nipping, it makes another whatever-U-call-it.
Awkward thing is that one needs to make these turban-tucks of end before
working anything tight, so that working is more point of trouble, and asks
for more length of end for the tightening--a bigger cigar.

Roy likes to untie, so finishing with a bight vice end might aid that--not so
much for pulling the end like a slipped reef for shoes, but just to give more
material in the working which tends to enable loosening.



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Re: A New Stopper Knot?
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2005, 01:01:25 AM »

Yes, Ashley's Stopper (eschew the "oysterman's" myth)

Did you like my "lineage" joke?  I'll stop using "oysterman's" (can't even spell it, besides, where's the umlaut on this keyboard?), but I may need help cutting back on the nomenclature jokes.  I'm just knot-headed enough to throw a kink in a cord & if anyone insists on my giving it a name, I'll make one up on the spot!  Don't care what you call it, I just want to secure "this" to "that" using this piece of rope.  I prefer to point out the "features" of the knot & why that feature is needed at that point -- DanL's "nipping bight" is an example.  This is how I see knots anyway; "this part keeps that part from moving, this other part is how you untie it" -- that sort of thing.

Or (back on topic) I just want to keep this piece of rope from leaving me, if I have to let it go.

Still on topic, you can tell my answer to the original poster would be "call it what you want to call it, unless someone can give you a name you like better.  My "case in point" is what motiviated me to sign up here:  "My" "Single Bottle Knot" nee "Jimbo's Jug Sling".  I can't even remember how long I've been throwing that knot, and never ever thought of a name until a neice asked.  "Uh...  Well...  What do you want to call it, dear Neice?"  I just dropped the "Uncle" for public consumption.  Durned but my brother & sister have some smart kids!!!

As someone wearing a mustache just like mine once said, "it ain't about ABOoK, it's about a clever kink in a cord."

To Roy: I probably forgot to tell you that what got me "into" knotting  (at maybe age 3 or 4, IIRC) was UNtying a knot, so your desire to remove said stopper is near & dear to my heart!!  Just not in one of my "Pet Rope Harnesses".  So yes, I completely agree, but show me how to untie a Manrope/Tack knot after following Hervey Garrett-Smith's instructions.  That's the "look" I'm after, but in smallish (pet harness sized - say something no bigger than your index finger) Kernmantle (not plait, as I need a "pretty" eye on the other end and I'd rather look at potato eyes than plait eyes!!!).

Anyway, as to the topic (which I apologize for somewhat hijacking even though this started in my "Ashley's" thread), the "Double-Crossed Figure Eight" (made that up just this moment) Stopper looks like something I'll use, perhaps instead of my customary double OH stoppers (which want a hatchet to untie).


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Re: A New Stopper Knot?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2005, 11:31:39 PM »
Jimbo; Well, I've thought about it and I still want to be able to untie the stopper knot.  So the ones that jam are of little use to me.

Playing around w/noose-hitches, I realized that one would make a good stopper,
and should meet Roy's desire for untying.
Begin w/a Fig.8 stopper form, loose--ref. #520's orientation for this direction--;
now tuck the end back down through the space shown to the right of the SPart
(yes, the partition is somewhat illusary--i.e., you're tucking into the lower loop
of material, but ...)--this would be going in a SSE (compass) direction.
You've thereby formed an Overhand around the SPart at this point; work this
tight by pulling on the non-end end of this component structure, dressing it
to be oriented like the Oh.hitch #1821.  (Don't pull too much on END.)
Finally, tuck the end in a natural way back around up through the upper loop of
the orignal Fig.8, orienting it near the SPart (right side of itself (end) as shown
in ref. image #520).  Draw down the SPart; haul on the end; iterate ... .

.:.  The result should lightly jam in that there should be parallel turns of rope
on either side of the SPart to give a good nip of it.  But this nip won't be further
strengthened by loading in use, and one should be able to readily push loose
the longer, curving part of the stopper face.