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Existential angst about carrick origins
« on: September 01, 2005, 11:55:04 PM »
A short,light subject after the 2 "heavy" topics I recently posted.

After that, some well deserved rest for you, and for me : going to coastal Brittany for some vacation.

A little surprise is awaiting you if you follow my lead to Google Pictures.

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Wikipedia STATE that CARRICK comes from CARRAK or CARRACK, 14th to 16th century 3 or 4 masted ships.

One of those was Christopher Colombus's Santa Maria.Carrack were the ancestors of galleons.

[ Middle English carike, from M├ędieval latin and from Old French caraque ( from Old Spanish carraca), both from Arabic qaraqir, from Greek kerkopuros, fast light vessel]
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In my opinion it is a bit too pat ! and at the same time it seems to me a bit far-fetched and convoluted.
Does not feel " natural ".

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There seems to be visual proof that carrick bend was known by the MAYA.
Some of their works of art show what looks like Carrick Bend.

Cortez was there in the 1500s 1510s but the Uxmal flourished between the 7th and 10th century to be "abandonned" in the 10th so it is not the "conquistadors" that introduced the design of the knot.

Go to Google Pictures and enter 3 words in search field : maya carrick bend

Clicking on one of the pics should send you to :

Well the knot projection seems to have been known by Mayans, but what was it called ?
Cat got my tongue on this one and would not give it back.

I know !  logical fault to mix knowledge of the knot design and its naming. Never said I am perfect!

I would dearly hope for  one knotter to be a Mayan language expert and that could shed some light in the matter.
Second best hope a friend or a friend of a friend that know Mayan?

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Further considerations :

In Gaelic  CARRAIG, anglicized to CARRICK means " rock ", " rocky place " ...

- - Wales
In Welsh it is Careg,

- - Cornwall
Carrick also means rock.

- - Isle of Manx " Car " means " Rock "   (they do have curious cats these islanders!)

- - Scotland
Many Gaelic and other ancient language words have become assimilated into place names in Scotland
Scots : " Car " come from the gaelic and means " rock " and " carrick " sea rock " or " cliff "
The District of Carrick was one of the three old regalities of Ayrshire.

- - Ireland : is no exception, the place names trace their ancestry to 3 language families : gaelic, English, Viking
CARRICK, CARRIG it is in Ireland.
There are various and numerous " Carricks " across Ireland, all rocky places.( not really surprising given the geology, I know)


That "hardness", " rocky " connotation goes quite well with that knot I think.

I really would like your considered opinion or better your certain knowledge on the poosible origin of the name AND the design.