Trying to untie it, one throat opened up easily.
The other side where load was applied to what is essentially the tail in the Zepp bend was jammed tight. The overhand had clamped down and even a marlin spike had no impact.
I have discovered a version in which one makes
an encircling/twist with the tail on its final tuck
and then pulls the tail straight to impart the twist
to the eye leg of this SPart-side
overhand; I will
hope that this version helps, though it might be
that one needs care in dressing/positioning ... .
Also, I wonder if the dressing of the common
zeppelin loop can affect its vulnerability to jam;
I suspect that there are better, not-so-good ways
(again, which require some care in tying, which
we'd prefer not to need).
I see no reason why this the term 'not real' should be applied to the Zeppelin loop.
The bend and loop just perform differently due to load in the latter essentially being applied to the tail in the former.
Xarax is a purist on z. mechanics and denies
membership into his exalted realm of z. knots
if certain criteria aren't met.
BUT please note that you have here just pointed
to two knots that differ in end-2-end & eye-knot
relations : e.g., were one to
begin with the
"straight bend" (butterfly) and form an eyeknot
be the same recipe as done for most knots, you
would NOT get the famous knot --NB! (The eye knot
loads
both tails of the end-2-end, not just
one and both SParts.)
I have found though that the Bowline can jam in stiff line if the knot is not dressed well and high load is applied suddenly.
PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!
I would like to see a photo of the jammed form.
Except if the tied-in-stiff-rope (and thus not set
in snug enough form) capsizes, I cannot see how
one can get jamming. Is it a question of stretch
that so diminished the SPart to slide out through
(typically not binding) collar so that relaxation
gives a *swollen* SPart now not able to return
into the knot? I've seen this sort of behavior,
but still think that the knot can be loosened.
Re "safe working load", this is at best a sort of casual
indication of conditions : i.e., diameter & other factors
should have more influence on jamming/etc., and not
how strong (and thus the SWLoad) the rope is. --just
to note the indirect relation of this datum.
Thanks,
--dl*
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