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The "Twisty Pinch" Method

Until now, no suitable method for tying the Bend version of the ABK had been found. Documented methods for tying the AB EyeKnot were pressed into service, but failed due to their awkwardness and time consuming nature.  
Although related in appearance to the well known "Twirly Flop" method, the Twisty Pinch method differs significantly in it's Choreography* (i.e. how the tying steps are executed by the hands). The benefits are improved control and easier handling of the cordage. Props such as tables aren't needed or wanted.
It will be self-evident that the Twisty Pinch method can be used to tie the AB EyeKnot with equal ease. Only the Bend version for R.Handedness will be described.
A Youtube video has been created to further aid in the understanding of this method.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9ZJJAowdEc

Tying Instructions

Step#1} Pair two cords (with Ends pointing away from you) and pinch them between the thumb and fingers of your L.hand about 6 inches back from the RopeEnds.

Step#2} With your R.hand only twist the Standing Lines together two times in a counter-clockwise direction, forming two "X"CrossingParts. The lines may be twisted in either direction, but counter-clockwise is preferred for R.handed tyers.

Step#3} Slip your R.hand  between and through the Standing Lines from below the Twisty Segment (don't add or lose any twists), and grab the RopeEnds from behind your L.hand.  

Step#4} Place your L.thumb down into the Opening inside the Twisty Segment. Put your L.forefinger down into the adjacent Opening toward the RopeEnds and gently pinch your fingertips together to contain the "X"CrossingPart.

Step#5} With your R.hand bring (or pull) the RopeEnds back through the Standing Lines. You will see two linked paired Loops forming in your L.Hand.

Step#6} Turn(rotate) your L.Hand into the paired Loops and receive the RopeEnds from your R.Hand.  

Step#7} Pull the Loops down over the RopeEnds with the R.thumb, then pull the RopeEnds away from the StandingLines.
 
Step#8} Dress and set the knot.

Note: Each step in the tying process should flow into the next. Most of the steps overlap which increases the tying efficiency.



The Alpine Butterfly Knot can present itself in three distinct forms, or variants, depending on the orientation of the paired Strands** [i.e. in which direction they are twisted(or not) within the knot. The orientations are shared by both Bend and EyeKnot versions:

Variant#1: paired End Strands with Neutral Twist(parallel)    
Variant#2: paired End Strands with Positive Twist***    
Variant#3: paired End Strands with Negative Twist***

The Twisty Pinch method can be used to tie all variants of the Alpine Butterly easily. By placing three "X"CrossingParts at Step#2 the twisted variants can be formed.
CHALLENGE: Tie the EyeKnot version and see if you can discover how the #3 Variant is formed using the Twisty Pinch Method? (It's very easy and simple, but not necessarily obvious.)      

Note: Testing might be considered to determine whether these variations influence the performance of the knot in any meaningful way (eg. ease of untying, strength, security, stability, when tied in materials of different nature) and under both Low Load and High Load conditions.

But wait! There's More! The Twisty Pinch method can be used to discover some new(?) knots with possibly useful properties. Three CrossingParts(Step#2), and placing your thumb and finger into different openings(Step#4), will yield two more unique knots. The knots in the photos below are slightly expanded to better show the cord routing.    
Four CrossingParts can render at least three more knots, but the results are probably beyond consideration for practical use.        
      



* the term used by Inkanyezi to eloquently describe the sequencing of hand movements, or gestures, used in tying a knot
** the Strands which exit the knot together as opposed to the Strands that enter the knot from opposite directions
*** related to the total amount of cord torsion in Variant#1  
« Last Edit: July 21, 2011, 05:24:34 AM by alpineer »

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Until now, no suitable method for tying the Bend version of the ABK had been found. Documented methods for tying the AB EyeKnot were pressed into service, but failed due to their awkwardness and time consuming nature.  

I'll have to wait to see your images, but I guess I've never considered the Alpine Butterfly Bend to be awkward to tie.  Just twist the ends, drop the ends, and bring them up through the central eye of the tangle.
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Until now, no suitable method for tying the Bend version of the ABK had been found. Documented methods for tying the AB EyeKnot were pressed into service, but failed due to their awkwardness and time consuming nature.  

I'll have to wait to see your images, but I guess I've never considered the Alpine Butterfly Bend to be awkward to tie.
This method is easier if you'd care to take the effort. I've done my best to be concise and minimize any ambiguities, but I am always amazed by how many words are needed to describe so few hand movements in order to accomplish this. But the words are there and they will work if you clear your mind of any pre-assumptions about how knots should be tied and just listen to them.

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Just twist the ends, drop the ends, and bring them up through the central eye of the tangle.
Wonderful!!! Now tell that to someone who's never seen or tied one before and (s)he'll get nowhere with that description.

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« Last Edit: July 20, 2011, 12:31:00 AM by alpineer »

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Just twist the ends, drop the ends, and bring them up through the central eye of the tangle.
Wonderful!!! Now tell that to someone who's never seen or tied one before and (s)he'll get nowhere with that description.

Which is why I included the link.

Here it is again:
http://notableknotindex.webs.com/butterflybend.html

Now, where are your images?
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Which is why I included the link.
Here it is again:
http://notableknotindex.webs.com/butterflybend.html
I'm familiar with that link,roo.
This method is easier if you'd care to take the effort.

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i always watch when twisting lines to then be loaded, so as to not leave them tourqued, to then be leveraged by subsequent loadings.

i like making on palm.

Butterfly is very nice lacing, can be used as Bend or multiple loops also.  Eye should be unloaded (like to segment weakness in line) or loaded less than ends as most proper IMLHO.

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i always watch when twisting lines to then be loaded, so as to not leave them tourqued, to then be leveraged by subsequent loadings.

i like making on palm.

Butterfly is very nice lacing, can be used as Bend or multiple loops also.  Eye should be unloaded (like to segment weakness in line) or loaded less than ends as most proper IMLHO.
By default this method leaves the cord within the knot with the proper amount of torque, so that the knot is in it's most relaxed state. This is a direct result of keeping the ends stationary while twisting the Standing lines away from the ends (or Bight End in the case of the EyeLoop). It's a relative thing. Twisting in this manner resolves any unnecessary torque out of the knot automatically.

As for making on the palm, I use the Hybrid Method. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeKLU_6NLv4

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Good grief, make a video, the two thousand word description isn't worth reading...no offense, but I already no the old reliable way of tying the Butterfly Bend. What's so hard about tucking the tails down through the two interlocked overhands??

As for tying the Butterly Loop, the easiest way is the alternative way IMO, not the wrapping around the hand deal. I'm always amazed at the knowledge on this site but it's also amazing to see how some of you complicate what's already out there. That's not to say I'm not for trying new methods, but clearly the tried and trusted way of tying the Butterly Bend is quite simple and effective. It yields the same security and strength as the Ashley Bend according to most tests.

Again, please make a video if you're going to come on here with such claims.

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I use the Hybrid Method for both the loop(s) and the bend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeKLU_6NLv4

It's boringly simple and easy to remember.

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This method is easier if you'd care to take the effort.
I did try, but the ambiguities were piling up too much by about step 2 or 3.  Hence the comment about needing to wait for images.

It's a little startling that such a simple bend should ever require so many steps to tie.
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Alpineer, you really do need a video.  I re-read your steps.  The multitude of steps is baffling to the point it seems like you're pulling our legs.
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Borrowed a tripod today. The video is coming.

I use the Hybrid Method for both the loop(s) and the bend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeKLU_6NLv4

It's boringly simple and easy to remember.

The Hybrid Method is the best method for tying the Alpine Butterfly EyeLoop, but too finicky for tying the Bend. On the other hand the Twisty Pinch Method is good for tying both the Bend and the Loop and bests all the other methods used for tying the Bend because it is simple, easy to remember(once you know how it works), minimizes hand contortions, is quicker to tie, eliminates unwanted torsion within the knot (EyeLoop version), and can be used to tie all three tail orientations of the ABK.  
« Last Edit: July 20, 2011, 09:06:31 AM by alpineer »

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It's a little startling that such a simple bend should ever require so many steps to tie.

I totally agree. It's just impossible to distill the description any further without introducing ambiguities. This method is about subtleties of hand movement, which translate into better ergonomics of motion, but are difficult to describe in words. I've spent many years tying the ABK with this method, as I did also with the Hybrid method, many hundreds and thousands of times, comparing it with all the other published methods (and others known to me) , before I decided to share it with the public at large.

The video is coming roo. It won't be the best video quality. But it will clear up the ambiguities people are having.

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In palm is great for multi loop or bend.  Single loop can be made pretty much 1 handed (for rescue etc.) if rope not too stiff.

But would like to see vid!

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The 'Butterfly Bend' YouTube video has been uploaded.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9ZJJAowdEc

 

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