So, it was just your starry-eyed gazing, then.
Next thing you go talking about
No, it is just your not willing to understand - even if we suppose you can. And, of course, you say nothing about WHICH three-wrap hitch is tighter than this... However, I am glad you have not brought this tangle/thing/whatsoever of yours this time - I would nt expect many starry-gazing eyes looking at her !
Please,
next thing you do, tie the f knot placing it side by side around the same pole to whatever other same-wrap hitch you chose, tightening it with the same force, and pulling the ends against the pole - and then
use those star-gazing eyes of yours - because it seems as you are not able to use your ears, and listen to the pitch of the sound the rope makes on the surface of the pole... OR, for that matter, you are not aware of the fact that, if you do not tie the slipped variation of the hitch, or if you do not tie it near one end of a slippery pole, you would have great difficulties to pull it lengthwise along the pole s surface and remove it.
On the contrary, I have tied and tried this hitch MANY times, side by side with every hitch I know - and I believe I know some, among them some you do not - as shown at the picture in another thread. Well, there is no comparison between the 3- or 4- TackleClamp hitch to any other hitch, the
Double Cow hitch included. I imagine there are 4 main reasons for this :
1 The fact that one can use the mechanical advantage offered by the Cow hitch Zig-Zag arrangements of the wraps of BOTH ends ( the "
too-clever-by-half" mechanism, as you understood it...).
2. The fact that one can pull BOTH ends against the pole. The difference in amount of the tension we are able to induce into the wraps during the pre-tightening phase, between this way/direction of pulling the ends, and the way/direction we pull them in the simple-hitch-a-la-Gleipnir or the 2U s hitches (1), is
huge ! I use my hands AND feet to tighten the ends - but if you ever decide to really test the TackleClamp hitch ( instead of
complaining this/your way, for something you could well have tied in the first place but missed it ) you have to be more careful than me ( this time !
). I still suffer from pains in my back, because this music this hitch makes as it is tensioned around the pole is enchanting, indeed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren 3. The fact that the tensioned, opposed bights "locking" mechanism is the best straight-Tail locking mechanism we have.
4. The fact that there are no riding turns, as in the snug hitches, for example, so the wraps do not leave the surface of the pole - they remain in contact with it alongside their full circumference.
However, I still do not know if you
really have tied and tried this hitch and compared it to the other tight hitches you know, or you just gaze at it with your eyes - because I can not believe that there will be any knot tyer, however biased he can possibly be, to not acknowledge the tremendous gripping power of the
TackleClamp hitch... Of course, human psychology is far more complex than any tangle, and I may be a mediocre knot tyer, but am also a lousy f psychologist !
1.
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=3104.msg18513#msg18513 Really, plucking the *strings* of a binder set tightly around an object --what sort of orchestra do you play in? (Violins, and all other stringed instruments, have strings clear of objects but for where they might be fretted, and a sound hole to boot!)
I should perhaps inform you that a solid object
vibrates, even when it is
hit, and not
plucked.... And those vibrations can be listened, detected and measured - especially if they take place on the surface of a hollow cylinder, as the poles I use to tie hitches are.
Now, if you really wish to have a sound hole, drill one !
I have not done it, but I suppose that if you drill a small hole on the surface of a hollow pipe, directly under the three wraps, you will be able to play and
listen, with your ears, the song I have written as an answer to you !
I fear no jamming knot
or lose the long-lost pride
or spill from the unicorn
on which I do not ride.
( Music from the movie " All that Jazz" ( 1979)
Any other linguistic improvements and rhythm s ideas are welcomed...
)
Do not fear the tight hitches - and the TackleClamp hitch, in particular. Tie and try them ! Perhaps you've forgotten the point of that contrivance --to be a HITCH, not a binder (but a hitch that stays tightly set).
No, I have not - how can one forget
that tangle/thing/whatever ?
On the contrary, you seem to have forgotten that I am equating the "tight hitches" (2) with the "binders". So, many times in this thread, and elsewhere, I write "
tight hitch" or "
binder", and I mean the same thing. A tight hitch and/or a binder can be pre-tightened and/or tightened by one or both ends, and it can be symmetric or not. Symmetry has nothing to do with a thing being a tight hitch or a binder, - but
your thing has not incorporated that knowledge...
The reason the TackleClamp hitches are symmetric, is that, by being so, they are able to take advantage of the mechanical advantage on
both ends, of the multiplied-by-two tension induced within the wraps from both sides of the coil - so the distance between the ends of the wraps which we can pull directly, and the middle of the wraps which we can not influence so much, because of friction - is minimum. At the locked Cow hitch, a similar tight hitch with one only end able to be pulled, we have two only wraps, not three, so the friction of the surface of the pole does not hinder the tightening process so much, as when we have three wraps. Now, on that
thing, you consume two whole wraps just to lock the Tail end, and you don't even use the mechanical advantage Cow-hitch based tight hitches / binders use... But I will not bother you any longer for something which I am afraid that does not have many chances to win any tightness or beauty contest. Fetch the
next hitch of yours, so we will be able to compare it with the TackleClamp hitch.
( I still wonder why Ashley missed them - after all, you, also, invented one by yourself, did nt you ? I suspect that by trying to silence the TackleClamp hitch s music, you decided to silence your beautiful S-binder, too...)
2.
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4155.msg25243#msg25243As for how one might a prior have doubts about the 3-wrap tackleclamp, recall your (& my) observation of the imbalanced loading of the 3-wraps --i.p., that the center wrap is pulled by both ends and so more quickly taut, and I'm surmising this will work against getting the entire binder set well tight.
We have discussed this issue, and I have said that, if one is afraid of this, he can tie the TackleClamp hitch with one more ( one added central ) wrap. However, if you tie this 3-wrap hitch as tight as you can ( as I said, first taking out any slack, before the pulling - then pull alternatively, the one end after the other, starting from a proper position of the two opposed bights on the surface which will enable their tensioning right to the end, before they will have the chance to "kiss" each other ), if you do this, you will see that our fears were academic - the hitch/binder closes so tightly, you can not say one wrap is not as tightly tighten as any other. Certainly, to my ears, at least, the pitch they make when they are hit does not differ. It seems that, after some stage, the central wrap can not be tensioned any more, and the mechanism re-adjusts itself, so, after this stage, it is the end wraps that consume any material pulled by the free ends.
My favourite form of the TackleClamp hitch is the 3 / wraps one - where we have this interesting Janus image, a hitch with 3 wraps at the one side/face of the pole and 4 wraps at the other - perhaps just because it is so interesting, and it does not run the danger to be "closed" before it can be tightened to the extreme. I have published those pictures of the completely closed 3-wraps TackleClamp hitch just because I wished to offer to KnotMe - who wrote a king comment about the Bull-Clove hitch shown at the other thread - a present wrapped with pink colour !
As I was posting the pictures, I remembered your 'kind" comments about the TackleClamp hitch being "
too-clever-by-half"(sic), and the rest was just a knee-jerk reaction, I have to admit...
Regarding your last comment about the relation of the TackleClamp hitch to the Double Constrictor ( and, for that matter, to the Double Clove hitch ), again, I have, somehow, to force you to understand the
GREAT difference it makes when we are able to :
1. Use the mechanical advantage offered at the Cow-hitch type of hitches.
2. Pull the end(s) AGAINST the pole - meaning not only perpendicularly to the axis of the pole, but perpendicularly to its surface, too - so, pull end(s) that do not leave the pole being tangent to its surface. I have learned this by tying and trying - and I sincerely I hope that you, too, will learn it before you retire !
I AM NOT HAPPY, not happy at all, from the fact that I can not find any other tight hitch / binder that can be pre-tightened / tightened, and keep this tension locked within its wraps, as much as the TackleClamp hitch... It seems that my journey in that part of the KnotLand came to an end - and no Odysseus worth his salt is ever happy with an end... I keep a sweet memory of the S-turns I made until I met her - and a bitter one of the pains in my back, and the "kind" comments by other suitors / knot-tyers she generated ...