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Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« on: June 18, 2013, 06:33:27 PM »
   Hint : It is simpler than it looks !  :)

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 12:23:05 AM »
So, is this a fixed loop or a noose?

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 02:23:00 AM »
is this a fixed loop or a noose?
I did nt say it is VERY simple !  :)  No, it is not a noose...
« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 02:23:35 AM by X1 »

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 01:48:43 PM »
I'll keep twisting then.
I got a visual duplicate that is a adjustable loop (noose).

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 03:33:54 PM »
Hi X1,
 
If both strands on the left of your image can be used independently as a standing part,I have to start all over again, otherwise this could be a method:

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 04:15:08 PM »
   If both strands on the left of your image can be used independently as a standing parts [/standing ends]...
   Yes, they can ! Besides, I have not been able to reproduce the exact image of the puzzle, even by a careful manipulation of the strands of your knot - but I may well miss something...It would be great if you could borrow one mobile phone, with a camera on it, out of the 8 billions or so that exist today on the planet ! (  If you ever manage to do this, borrowing a rope would be a piece of cake !   :) )
   So, start all over again ! Good twisting !  :)

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 06:29:32 PM »
Only to "clear the field":
A simple noose around an object spills if one chooses to pull the wrong standing end,and there remains an Overhand knot.With regard to the Fisherman / Englishman loop, this is not the case, because, pulling from that which is the wrong side of a simple noose , there is however another"extra- noose" (or maybe better:an Overhand around the "wrong "standing end),that goes to collide against the first preventing that it slips, forming a fixed eye .But if now one pulls this Fisherman loop by the other part, the first noose will return to behave like a normal noose, going to tighten the object that wraps.
If  the loop that you show is not a loop of this type and the knot's nub there visible consists of a single knot, then I do a clean sweep and start all over,otherwise maybe it is to find out which is the method that you mean.

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 06:42:46 PM »
If  the loop that you show is not a loop of this type
It is not - not a "half" not a "whole" noose !  :)
the knot's nub ... consists of a single knot, then I do a clean sweep and start all over
Do it, and start all over !  :)  Read my lips : IT IS NOT A NOOSE - it is a fixed knot, from whatever standing end you pull it.
Come on, guys, it is not so difficult !

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 06:54:21 PM »
It's an Englishman's Loop with a double overhand substituting for the eye side overhand. However it is fixed with one standing end only. It can slide when pulling the other standing end.
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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 07:07:02 PM »
It's an Englishman's Loop with a double overhand substituting for the eye side overhand. However it is fixed with one standing end only. It can slide when pulling the other standing end.
   
   First, I said it would be simpler than it looks, but not sooo simple !  :)  Second, Luca has asked the crucial question, at reply #6, and received an answer, at reply#7, which excludes the Englishman s knot . Close, but not cigar again, alpineer !  :)
   
   Keep twisting !  :)
« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 07:08:50 PM by X1 »

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 07:49:06 PM »
Then it must be three overhands butted together, with one S. line have two and the other S. line's overhand between them.

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 08:07:14 PM »
   Rien ne vas plus !
   Alpineer, congratulations, you did it this time. Luca, you remained a proud second. SS369, it is the struggle that counts most, not the victory !
   
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4425.msg28039#msg28039
« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 08:13:32 PM by X1 »

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Re: Knot Puzzle : Tie this nice TIB loop
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 09:06:33 PM »
Hi X1 and Alpineer,

I was trying to take the same track that I took last time, but I was too late ... this time won the best!

http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4425.msg28039#msg28039 (EDIT:X1, I had not noticed you had already put the same link!)

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