Why are you hyperventilating over something I didn't address? Did I say that the loop had to be something that required steps before passing the rope through an object? NO!
"
Required Steps", means no-thing - and it can used to imply, on purpose or not, erroneously nevertheless, that forming one or more nipping turns is, in fact, also a "Step", just as tying an overhand knot, or a fig.8 eye-knot ! We should always beware of the various tricks one would try to fabricate / trump up, in order to underestimate the PET characteristic of the bowlines, and with it, the bowlines themselves.
"Before tying" should always be accompanied with "
after untying" - because no knot required to be tied on the Standing part before the tying of the eye, also means no knot required to be untied after the untying of the eye. The later is what makes the bowline such a valuable mooring knot - because a "relic" knot, still tied on a line after the eye has been untied, is a dangerous thing. It can be caught up somewhere, and cause severe problems.
Having said that, I agree that you have not said something about a non-PET loop - yet !
Because by judging from
hundreds upon hundreds of posts where you did, I reckon that, sooner or later you
will do - and I have to be cautious about it ! Sooner or later, you will refer to the fake, so-called "Zeppelin loop", which does not work as a rope-made hinge, as the genuine Zeppelin knot, the Zeppelin bend. Of course, you had never, and, most probably, you will never refer to loops that ARE working like the Zeppelin bend ( and ARE PET as well ) (1), because then you will have to admit that the so-called "Zeppelin loop" is an
imposter in the family of genuine Zeppelin-like knots !
The sad thing is that you are always too quick to refer to your site, or to the lamentable one-liner Wikipedia article about the fake Zeppelin - which, in its turn, expectedly or not, refers to only ONE site - guess which !
(2)) You had not made
any comment about anything written in the "Analysis..." paper, you had not submitted
any opinion about any of the many knots shown there - but you are
worried that Gommers lost his "
original objective" (sic), which you suppose that you know better than him !
Dozens of knots shown there, but you had not been able to find ONE good word about any of them?So many notions, definitions and explanations about the bowline family - but you have not been able to discover even ONE thing that is true, and on what you agree ! Of course, this should have been expected, because you do not behave
now in any original way ! You did the same in the three hundreds of posts in the "Bowlines" thread - and I bet you will keep doing the same long after I will die, voluntarily drinking poison !
1.
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4095.
2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin_loop
