Artisanship / Dexterity

[swanoonie]

Does anyone know whether or not video exists online showing the so-called sailor's method of tying a bowline beginning with a half-hitch (to be 'flipped', as in shuttle tatting, onto the standing part)? There must be, but they have so far escaped my eductions. I may create my own video, but such presentations always lose so many of the knot-tyer's subtleties. This method has been cited amongst these pages, but the search function is failing me.

Those in my tutelage find it the most facile way of tying a bowline (cowboy or otherwise) to something, but those novices among them often need a resource to augment their memories between the end of my demonstrations and the beginning of their independent practice.

Oh, and any nalbinders here?

[Luca]

Hi swanoonie,

I would like briefly to point out that, in my opinion, the most suitable method to show to a novice,in order to teach the Bowline knot for the first time, should be the "Rabbit" method, because I believe that it allows to get a more easy clear picture-idea of how the knot is built "piece by piece" (the nipping circle, the loop, the collar, etc..);but it is also true that I'm meaning "total novice",and that perhaps on the contrary you have to deal with people who already know over of what I imagine!
With regard to the method you mentioned, I also found very little; I tried also using the terms "casting method", which seemed to be a way of how this method is called in English, but I did not get results.
I then tried searching with my tongue, and the least worst video I've found is this (is not a big deal,and in addiction is in Italian).
More than anything else my hope is that you will be inspired to make a better video!(click on"metodo del tiro",central image;the"GASSA in tensione"method below in the page is another intresting method).

http://www.sg2000.it/nodi/gasse1.htm

On the page that I link below, however it is expressed verbally a way more similar to how I personally realize the Bowline using this method, that is, fundamentally,by pulling the tail of the Half hitch,so that it has itself reverses,contrary to what seems to be happening in the video, where it seems that this reversal of the Half hitch is made"manually", pushing with the  fingers on the small loop.

http://daveroot.netau.net/Knots/Knots_SingleLoops.htm#Bowline  (Method #2)

                                                                                                           
                                                                                         Bye!

[saildude]

I have a two page printer friendly version on my web site - the front page is text and the back page has the drawings showing the  "standard" method of tying a Bowline and the Spilled Hitch is also shown - sorry no video but there are drawing with text to guide you

http://captnmike.com/2009/08/18/how-to-tie-a-bowline/

[swanoonie]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and links.

I hear what you're saying, Luca. Tyers need to be familiar a knot's structure to recognize whether or not it's been tied correctly before they leave it to the wind and rain (such are typical conditions at a mooring pin, anyway!). And using the  end-reeved method may be best for that with the bowline, at least when the learners are motivated and interested.

But I find that my painstaking descriptions of such structure are lost on beginning tyers. They get particularly frustrated trying to remember which way to set up the nipping turn. Further, it seems unsound to teach these strictly 'applied knot tyers' a method that actually doesn't work all that well for the use they will most frequently be putting it to. Even those few that actually 'get' the end-reeved method inevitably find themselves confused all over again when confronted with tying off to a fixture. The nipping turn gets made on the wrong side of the ring, the collar is routed incorrectly, you name it. In fact, they come up with ways I couldn't have imagined. Maybe some day one of them will show me an entirely new knot!

I think Inkanyezi has a good point in http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=2146.msg15108#msg15108 about building hand motion memory. For that reason, with the support of very positive observations now that I'm teaching the 'spilled hitch' or 'casting' method, I prefer it even for beginners. Yes, they may need to be shown it once or twice again, but having the direction of the nipping turn and the relative locations of the knot parts decided for them seems to reduce the memory load immensely.

At any rate, I'm really enjoying both http://www.sg2000.it/nodi/ and http://captnmike.com/. Tusen takk.

[knot4u]

I'm not sure what you want, but here are some fast methods of tying a bowline from both directions (object in front of you and object behind you).

http://youtu.be/oBQl83nGfhQ

http://youtu.be/auj4T1PYSRI

http://youtu.be/0HxiXYebPAw

[swanoonie]

Here is what I was seeking. My first YouTube video ever.
Aqu? est? lo que yo estaba buscando. El primer v?deo m?o en YouTube.
Seo daoibh an fh?s a raibh m? ? lorg. Mo ch?ad fh?s ar YouTube riamh.
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         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDi8ok61RAY

[Sweeney]

Nice video - pity that the working end goes the wrong way round the standing part resulting in a "cowboy" bowline with the end outside of the loop rather then the normal bowline.

Barry

[Dan_Lehman]

Nice video - pity that the working end goes the wrong way round the standing part resulting in a "cowboy" bowline with the end outside of the loop rather then the normal bowline.

Barry

Pity that somehow this peculiar notion of "wrong"
got published and then so much echo!  In practice,
it might prove more right than the other.


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[Sweeney]

Pity that somehow this peculiar notion of "wrong"
got published and then so much echo!  In practice,
it might prove more right than the other.


--dl*
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Whatever the merits of the knot depicted (and it may well be a superior knot) if a bowline is as shown at ABoK 1010 then describing this as a bowline without qualification is wrong and misleading especially to new knot tyers having trouble tying a bowline. I don't care what anyone wants to call it - left handed, cowboy Dutch marine External Tail etc - as long as it's clear exactly what is being referred to.

Barry

[swanoonie]

I appreciate the responses. Accordingly, I have just added the ever-necessary disclaimer to the video's description.
Agradezco las respuestas. En consecuencia, ya he a?adido el descargo de responsibilidad, necesario como de costumbre, a la descripci?n del v?deo.
T?im bu?och d?bh as na freagra?. D? r?ir seo, t? an cl?sal s?anta, r?th?bhachtach go s?ora?, curtha le cur s?os na f?se agam cheana f?in.