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rydelrdyel

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Painter needs a knot
« on: October 31, 2013, 07:30:26 AM »
Hello good people of IGKTF,

my name is Christian, I'm a professional illustrator and amateur painter... I happened upon your site while searching for a suitable knot to tie to the end of my paint brushes so I can hang them off hooks, much like the Chinese and Japanese calligraphers.

Western paint brushes do not usually have hoops at the end of them, so I'm planning on drilling a hole through each brush so as to accommodate a heavy thread or fishing line (please see attached image).

Can anyone recommend a good knot that'll do the job?

Cheers
 

gm5729

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Re: Painter needs a knot
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2013, 12:14:42 PM »
Sheet bend with jute.
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SS369

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Re: Painter needs a knot
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 02:23:39 PM »
Good day rydelrdyel and welcome.

Since you are determined to drill a hole and put a utilitarian loop at the end of the brush, I would recommend a simple overhand loop. Quick, simple and easy. Tie it tight and trim the surplus short.

There are so many loops to choose from, highly decorative to simple.

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« Last Edit: October 31, 2013, 07:49:04 PM by SS369 »

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Re: Painter needs a knot
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 03:27:13 PM »
Welcome Christian!

To make a fixed loop (or hoop in this case), I'd recommend tying a Fisherman's Knot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherman's_knot

This will keep your loop as a hoop ;) and stop it from flopping around on you.

Check it out:
« Last Edit: October 31, 2013, 03:49:11 PM by NotSure »

knot4u

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Re: Painter needs a knot
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 04:46:49 PM »
Overhand Loop

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhand_loop

I've been down this road recently, experimenting with various thin cordage up to 2.0 mm.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2013, 08:22:50 PM by knot4u »

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Re: Painter needs a knot
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2013, 05:47:44 PM »
Double Overhand, like what SS369 said.
Yes, indeed he did say that; it's a strange name
to use for the shown knot, though --not my idea
of a "double overhand"!?

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Yes, it's a boring solution, but it's also simple, quick, utilitarian, and probably just as good as any fancier knot for this application. It won't jam at this load if you use a thick enough cordage. It will jam in something like monofilament. Even if it does jam, I imagine you're using some type of cheap cordage you can replace without a care.
1) How is an eyeknot the solution to this problem
(or is it to be ring-loaded (which makes it an end-2-end
knot))?  Are there to be two of them --one each for the
brush & hook?
2) If anything, jamming is desired and will need to be
achieved in setting : we're hanging paint brushes with
short bits of cordage --it's not like one is going to untie
and re-use a bunch of little bits of cord!
3) NotSure is on the right track, but I wouldn't trust
such a solution of the (so to speak) "split fisherman's knot"
--I tried something similarly clever and (in my case) in
fact TOO clever (by half), and saw my camera drop to
the road I was cycling along (it survived).  OOPS  :-[
Well, it's all a matter of materials --size & stiffness &
slickness (or not); at the size NotSure shows, it's like
to jam nicely with a good setting and give the "hoop"
for easy hooking (assuming a rather stiff cord).

(I keep finding my mind wandering off in search of
some blood-knot-like wrapping to secure the eye end
as though it was rigid, but I won't try to illustrate those
adventures.  And for quick'n'dirty, the fisherman's knot
will suffice in cord that might be so thin as to nearly let
the knot fit through the hole.)

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Re: Painter needs a knot
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 07:48:21 PM »
Yes, I did mistakenly call the offered solution and picture a double overhand. My bad.
I've edited the written part.
The simplest solution.

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Re: Painter needs a knot
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 03:38:35 AM »
Hi,

The simplest solution suggested by SS("Overhand Hoop"?in fact it seems to me that maybe is missing a term for a bend that form a ring!) seems to be the one actually used( http://www.opendoorshop.com/chinese-calligraphy-brush-small/ (the mouse pointer,if brought to the illustration,turns into a magnifying glass).
Anyway ,I personally like the solution proposed by NotSure:not so difficult, and I think more efficient,in the way that it describes, and elegant.
I wonder, in the light of the Blood knot suggested by Dan Lehman, if a Double Harness bend with parallel ends(multi-wrapped or not) can work in this case (provided that the hole has the correct diameter for passing only two diameters of the string,and allow that the two links of the bend act as stopper knots,as should be  with regard to the solution proposed by NotSure),I propose this, instead of the classic Blood knot with the opposite ends, because the type of symmetry harmonizes better with the shape of the brush,but I do not have the means to test if it works at this time..
For a"loop solution",maybe it can work a stopper knot  where there is the hole, and some loop(if bulky enough to operate itself as a stopper knot )at the other side of the string.
Disadvantage of this solution: if the brush is hung on the wall so that its handle remains on the side of the wall and the stopper knot remains on the other side, it is easier that the brush comes in contact with the wall dirtying it.
Advantage of this solution: if the brush is hung on the wall so that the stopper knot remains on the side of the wall and its handle remains on the other side it is more difficult that the brush comes in contact with the wall dirtying it.   ( :o ::) ;D )

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