Gosh, I was afraid that last comment of mine might ruffle a few feathers.
Yes, I absolutely mean when you load the living daylights out of it,
then remove the load and attempt to untie ... .
If you guys were truly honest with your comparisons,
then you'd agree that there are other knots that are significantly easier to untie
afterward under the same harsh conditions.
//
I think the whole problem here is that "easy" or "difficult" may be very subjective terms.
Some people have a much higher pain tolerance and/or patience and/or finger dexterity than
(especially perhaps when that person has been accustomed to regularly
untying even harder knots like Ashley's #1408, 1425, & 1452, for instance ).
The topic of this thread is "bends", by which it is meant
"end-2-end knots" (hence, not the
fisherman's bend).
And while there can be subjective differences between
what is considered "easy", etc., it is less defensibly so
in the
relative terms "easier". And the knots that you
claim to be difficult to untie above are ones that can be
shown to be fairly easily untied after loading to break
point (i.e., 2 knots in test specimen of the same kind,
and one breaks while the other survives the test)!!
And, of these, the
zeppelin &
#1408 are especially
easy to untie.
(especially if you include 4-way loading for that bugger).
So, now we see your only excuse for such surprising
assertions : you want not end-2-end knots, but
net knots!?
Well, okay, yes, changing the game so that all ends
area loaded will change the outcome, here. Note that
"loading all ends" can mean different things : it might
matter the order of loading, and so on; if all are evenly
loaded, carefully, one can do well with the
sheet bendwhich is the most common net knot; loaded with some
variation, that knot can assume a different geometry
(it tends to be one in which the "collar" is more tightly
drawn than in the end-2-end and eye knot (
bowline).
All I intended to say was that while knots like the Zeppelin or Fig 8s may be popular, in my opinion, they should not be the ideal knots to pass on to future generations when those type of knots' primary intent is for a temporary fastening. Temporary, to my mind, is all about being untied afterward and the ease thereof.
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... who really wants to work harder at doing something than they absolutely have to?
Okay for "temporary", but you have hardly a common
need in looking to all-ends loading. I asked previously, What
are the tasks for which an all-ends-loaded ("net") knot
is needed, that you find common end-2-end knots lacking?
To this one should also add "... and which need untying!"
--for although I can think of making netting a need for
a net knot, I don't see untying it at all in the picture.
(Recently, I did some fiddling with a basketball net;
that only amounted to tying off its connection-to-rim
bights with
overhand eyeknots so to keep them attached
and to limit movement ~=> reduce wear, extend life.)
After all, if one is going to pass on to some future
generation of people a single knot, it should be one
that is reasonably expected to meet their knotting
needs. Having some knot that can arguably do any
thing, and thus one thing better than any other,
but which does the most commonly needed things
poorly, is not a good proposition.
--dl*
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