Ampersand TIB bowline

[alanleeknots]

Hi All,
         Dan, you have said "soooo many bowlinesque to chose from" can you please show me some of them,
         are they PET and TIB knot ?
         Xarax already described some advantages of the Ampersand Bowline in here" http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4877.0"

Somewhere on this site there is the presentation of the
simpler-than-Yosemite Bwl like version (the YoBwl has
a fig.8 tail path; the "simpler than..." an overhand one,
which is PET/TIB.
The obvious case is just tying the bowline with a bight from
the tail, giving sheet bend geometry for *through* loading,
but not offering eye-loading of the tail (not decently, anyway).

Xarax's

A bowline-like PET loop is a versatile and a useful knot
--so a TIB PET loop, is even more versatile, and at least as useful as a non-TIB one.
It would be great if we could discover and tie the same ONE knot ( instead of tying two different knots )
either when we want/need to tie a loop in the end of the rope,
or when we want/need to tie a loop in the bight, in the middle of the rope
--provided, of course, that we do not jeopardise the qualities required from
the different knots we are accustomed to use in each of the two cases.

should raise one of the issues re What is a *knot*? in its "same"
--to wit: Is it "same" if made by different tying algorithm?  Because if
one must do something different when TIB vs. PET, one might as well
be finishing differently, IMO (but for some assertion of great simplicity
in resulting in the same geometry to check for correctness) !
Note that the bowline tied w/bight of tail can use the single tying
method.

--dl*
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     Can any one please help, I want to know what kind of knots are in the writing above.
          謝謝 alan lee.

 

[SS369]

Hello Alan.

I am sorry that I can not help with this. Perhaps Dan will clarify.

SS

[alanleeknots]

Hi All,  Scott, Thanks for the reply.
           謝謝 alan lee.

[knotsaver]

Somewhere on this site there is the presentation of the
simpler-than-Yosemite Bwl like version (the YoBwl has
a fig.8 tail path; the "simpler than..." an overhand one,
which is PET/TIB.

Hi Alan,
I think Dan was referring to his Lehman's Locked Bowline (I think you know it)
here it is

(http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4476.0)

The obvious case is just tying the bowline with a bight from
the tail, giving sheet bend geometry for *through* loading,
but not offering eye-loading of the tail (not decently, anyway).

Perhaps he was referring to ABoK #1016...

(http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=5593.msg37984#msg37984)
[edit] but this is not PET!? 
Hope this helps.
Ciao,
s.

[alanleeknots]

Hi All,  knotsaver,  You have a great day, Thanks you very much.
             謝謝 alan lee.

[Dan_Lehman]

Thanks for finding ...

Indeed, it was the top (rather, um, *wavery*) knot.
Note that this can be tied by inserting a bight tip
into the nipping loop, then "backflipping* it into
final, collaring position --there are 4 orientations
(or more) to this, and I think the one shown might
be best (and can be loaded on either end).

This particular bowline was presented decades
ago by Pieter van de Griend & John Smith in Knotting Matters
(#18, is it?).

--dl*
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