Author Topic: About Simple Simon from new member  (Read 2555 times)

Radnor

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About Simple Simon from new member
« on: November 04, 2017, 08:10:57 PM »
I am pleased to find this organization.  I'm a retired Electrical Engineer and recently I was mentoring at the local high school robotics club when a need for some knots arose.  I re-awakened my old Boy Scout knot knowledge and then was looking around on Youtube at some knot videos.  I encountered the Whyknot channel and saw his video of the Simple Simon knot.  He pointed me to this IGKT web site.  Here I found references to books by Ashley, Miles and Asher.  I bought all three and have a spent a fair amount of time reading them and these forums.

There is a lot to read on this site, but I'm having a good time with it!  :)

I was surprised to find that there are some bends that are new from the 20th century.  I would have thought that every useful bend had been known since antiquity.

When I saw Whyknot's video on the Simple Simon the first thought that occurred to me was to do the cross over at both ends of the knot rather than at one end, and that could be called a "double" Simon.  After exploring this site for a while I discovered that the thought had occurred to others also, to wit: http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1494.msg10461#msg10461

The image shown in that thread isn't a photo of an actual knot, so here is my first contribution, small though it may be:





« Last Edit: November 04, 2017, 08:14:01 PM by Radnor »

KC

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Re: About Simple Simon from new member
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 02:07:21 PM »
WELCOME!
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For me, Simple Simons are en extension of Bight and Lock joinings(Square, Sheet, Surgeons etc. family classes):
Favor lock being same size or smaller
lock is major loaded deformity >> defining strength as weakest link.
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Duplicating lock with Bight side(Green/Left in drawing) would give 2nd major loaded deformity, but perhaps be more secure.
If chasing security i'd make lock Double Linear Round Turn around Bight side and / or cross Tail under
>>without giving 2nd deformity / chance of weaker weak link
If Bight side is larger line (as should be when mixed) making same deformity around a smaller host
>>would suspect tighter arc to bend Ratio/more deforming geometry  >> for more suspect weakness
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Note also if 1 side is lock, and is larger diameter
>>has less tension per diameter across and sometimes can't crimp into tighter/per diameter (but same overall tension) of smaller Bight side line.
>>This i think is especially viewable in Square/Reef where each side must match or 1 smaller diameter can 'crimp' into larger to Nip;
but needs both sides to do so properly and larger diameter can't crimp to Nip smaller diameter against host mount.
>>taken to Sheet, Surgeon, Simons only1 side is lock side, and it can be smaller
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i fall back into these that i was using before Simple Simons:
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i look for Round Turns coiled or stretched around the Standing Part  to pull more inline than across this highest loaded area
>>All these show that form
>>Simons do give the S Part of lock a larger mount, that would give softer deformity / arc and thus be superior
>> in the 2nd pics tho it seems i get a straighter line that then may trump(sorry to use the T word)
>>i find the 2nd pic's easier to manufacture as i mount Yellow/R.hand around flat Green/L.hand, then fold Green to Bight and finish Yellow
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In 2nd pic Sheet Bend tail finish as hitch under Spart would give more 'lock'
>>But, Square/Surgeon type tail finish Draws up nicer more immediately.
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>>of benchmark aspect and it's non(e), defining total sum of the whole.
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