If they fail to achieve the definitions, I would name them as Loop Knot. IMO, I do not prefer using the name 'Eye Knot' because an eye implies small hole/opening/ring, but a closed/fixed loop is much bigger and for use to encircling or connecting object(s) of bigger size(s).
This proposition is incorrect.
The size of the eye has nothing to do with anything.
It comes down to how you define a 'loop'.
Using the word 'loop' to describe different elements is problematic and dilutes its definition.
I am currently debating the strict definition of what a 'loop' is with Derek.
I would like to offer a qualification to Mark's above rather strident assertion that
This proposition is incorrect. - by suggesting that he adds -
'in his opinion.'While it is correct that Mark and I have been in discussion over his attempt to rename 'Loop Knots' as 'Eye Knots', it would be wrong to infer that there is any progress on this issue.
I totally disagree with Mark's opinion and what he offers as supporting argument as to why, in his opinion, this change is valid. I have repeatedly rejected his supporting arguments as invalid in my opinion.
I remain of the opinion that all
Working Knots which have a fixed loop external to the
Nub belong to the classification of
Loop Knots, with the sub classification that some Loop Knots are also Eye Knots, where the loop is small, the loop legs are parallel as they exit the nub, and particularly when the loop is intended to incorporate a thimble.
NB this categorisation does not include Spliced Eyes, notably because a splice is not a knot.
As a specialist group, we need an agreed lexicon in order to be able to communicate our thoughts and perceptions. Today, our lexicon is both confused and incomplete. However, we do not have a Governing Body to decide upon this lexicon for us. Naming convention will only happen by consensus of use.
At this stage of the discussion it is my considered opinion that changing the name of all fixed
Loop Knots to that of
Eye Knots, causes unnecessary confusion and fails to add value to our lexicon. It is therefore my intention to continue to use the term
Loop Knots for all working knots which have a fixed external loop (or loops), irrespective of the loop size or intended mode of use.
Derek