All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
i know this to be true,
have walked these 3 stages of ridicule
>>were even acceptance as self-evident is a ridicule of why did you bring it up even in first place
>>but no one wants to talk about why they fought so long then if self evident
>>just that it was none-sense trap to bring up... the frustration is obviously with themselves i think..
Escape from Plato's cave; can hurt eyes, has many traps; especially if riding point !
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In paradigm limits, the only way to go froward is throw to the opposite side,
like a cyclic growth back and forth, but always higher, like leaf node spacing around vine
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Sometimes, have to keep throwing it until the wall holds like spaghetti i think.
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I have read through Robert Birch's paper - and it is better than most (in my view).
It is dated 2019, so I assume he has gleaned a good deal of information from various threads and posts on this forum and maybe from individual technical papers?
i think that is thankfully evident, and not just old info; but closer to state of art pulse beat
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i don't agree with all the terms stated either, i have more personal ones myself of c(o)urse...
>>who knows, might not even agree with you on all your fine efforts either
>>but in both cases, applaud the effort, lending AND real depth of timely info and passion it takes.
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And, with regard to 'turns' - it should be:
[ ] U turn (180 degrees)
[ ] Turn (360 degrees)
[ ] Round turn (540 degrees)
Also, Birch's concept of 'open' turn and 'closed' turn is (in my view) not necessary...which is simply in relation to the 'overlap' of the 2 rope segments crossing each other in the formation of a 'loop'.
And for me, a 'hitch' requires a 'host' object to form around - without which, the 'hitch' ceases to exist.
Totally agree on the clear intent of the 180/360/540 of which half circle arcs i try to present are meant as shorthand of.
To me bight is simply unmounted Turn, but then in the bight means without ends
i think knot used as hitch is termination of linear force flow thru rope, whereby used as bend is simply dual port as continuation/not termination
>>To me, all knots in working usage require host mounts; even if it is another line in bend/marriage of 2 ropes getting hitched..
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Ye Olde; International Guild of Knot Tyers
Always and all ways sounded to me like a venerable knotting authority
>> and perhaps more than most stands positioned to do so by that measure
>> i came starving, and left too many times the same over years
i did not expect to find such a 'basket weaving'(sorry) presence, but that was just my own closed-mindedness
>>the forum is closer to working knot references i seek
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i think knotting/weaving may be the primary engineering technology reached outside self
>>of a set of steps had to do right or fail
>>connected to enact against force(mechanical)
>>that also introduced connecting properties their values (outside self) for first time
And these things carry thru all mechanix and forces
>>even a computer program, is a list of steps that must be done in order, that enact on target, but must be 'bound' together in chain to work.
Loading force against a knot machine is like turning on power to computer program, what is written by your hands, plays out faithfully per rules.
>>so is best to know rules, and build/groom to them
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i think pretty definitively man was weaving clothes and shelter >> which extended to usage in tooling
before commanded fire, lever, wheel etc., probably before any real oral language, certainly before written
>>perhaps would seem, even before confident upright walking(?)
Yet, we haven't figured it all out yet; and have forgotten even much of what we knew seems sometimes.
>>to then find knotting ruling in some parts of the micro world!
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Knotting thus might be our rawest, earliest extended mechanic with many innate lessons that escape description;
>>but should be taught, stepped thru for knot's yield that is hard to capture on a page.
Before more slips away, as some might go out of fashion, but the principle mechanix never fade and have lessons of how the world works.
Just as riding a bike is an important lesson that probably carries farther into us than realize
>>L-earning to read self, command balance and go forward
Not something see a lot of adults do, but certainly part of their making of skill, and shared base of experience as well.
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I have personally encountered hate-based responses from individuals on various climbing community forums regarding the use of the term 'offset' in lieu of 'flat' or 'one-sided' for describing #1410 overhand bend. The degree of hate-based posts from some quarters was quite alarming - and showed that some people will never accept nor try to understand alternative technical concepts....
But i was only kidding....
>>no seriously , i know what you mean
i've even had to take hiatus from here due to how folks talk to each other
>>not even towards me so much ; but towards others that i just simply didn't want to be a Standing Part of
And have watched while others faded from here, not to come back; that always seemed to me to stem from similar feelings.
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At one forum a member slammed another and said he would not answer the question asked, for he would not google such useless info.
i answered the question, and changed my name to *useless info* giving somehow even more license to say thoughts..
