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roobee

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Times a new knot made a significant impact?
« on: July 12, 2020, 03:10:04 AM »
When are times a new knot made a significant impact? Feel free to dig deep into history. Maybe some new sailing knot saved buncha lives or something? Or a knot that could bear more load cut down costs necessary for load bearing items?

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Re: Times a new knot made a significant impact?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2020, 04:06:14 AM »
Hello roobee and welcome.

How about you throw in a sample?

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Re: Times a new knot made a significant impact?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2020, 04:18:55 AM »
Hello roobee,
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When are times a new knot made a significant impact?
The IGKT and this website arguably would not exist if it weren't for Phil D Smith's 'Riggers bend' - which was later re-discovered by Edward Hunter. This re-discovery then made it to the front page of the British 'The Times' newspaper. It caused quite a response and triggered a whole series of events...
I have authored a paper on this particular 'end-to-end joining knot' (ie bend).
Link: http://www.paci.com.au/knots.php (at #7 in the table).

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Maybe some new sailing knot saved buncha lives or something? Or a knot that could bear more load cut down costs necessary for load bearing items?
Dr Karl Prusik is credited with inventing the 'Prusik hitch'.
This slide and grip hitch made a significant impact on mountaineering and we still use it today. It also was the seed for a whole suite of slide and grip hitches which were developed to fulfill various needs.

When you state 'new' - this is an interesting proposition.
Not sure if you meant 'new' to be post year 2000 or post year 2010? (or some other year?).
For example, the simple #1010 Bowline and #1047 Figure 8 both have "saved lives" but they are not 'new' in the sense of discovery within the past few years.

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Re: Times a new knot made a significant impact?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2020, 05:31:03 AM »
Hi agent_smith. The Prusik hitch matches what I am looking for. The impact of the Riggers bend feels a bit too abstracted from the knot for me.

Not sure if you meant 'new' to be post year 2000 or post year 2010? (or some other year?).
I'm looking for significant innovative knots. It's hard for me to quantify a year. The bowline and figure 8 knots feel like they are old and have existed as long as sailing, so they don't feel innovative. Although if the Bowline and Figure 8 were a significant improvement on a previous sailing knot that would feel innovative, even if the improvement was in the deep past like 1300s.

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Re: Times a new knot made a significant impact?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2020, 01:33:53 AM »
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I'm looking for significant innovative knots. It's hard for me to quantify a year.
This makes it hard for people to respond to your question.
Knots have been known, invented and used probably since the moment humans created cordage made from vegetable fibre or animal sinew/tendons.
Early humans would have used some type of knot to tie bundles of sticks/wood together to transport from place to place.
At some point, humans would have figured out how to tie objects to the back of a horse or an Ox or a donkey, and then how to tie up a domestic dog (on a leash).

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The bowline and figure 8 knots feel like they are old and have existed as long as sailing, so they don't feel innovative.
Hmmm, it seems there is a point in the historic time line where a knot is discarded on account of its 'age'?
Is the 'age' of a knot a factor in whether it is 'innovative'?

In terms of fulfilling the criteria of being 'innovative' - I would like to advance "tsik_lestat's" tri-axially loadable eye knot that is Tiable In the Bight (TIB).
This particular knot employs a toggle mechanism - which is 'innovative' in my view.
It is also 'new' in the sense that it was discovered 2019/2020 (ie it is not from ancient times).

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Re: Times a new knot made a significant impact?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2020, 04:44:16 PM »
This particular knot employs a toggle mechanism - which is 'innovative' in my view.
What does this toggle do?