Poll on Round Turn description

[roo]

I disagree. 

How many degrees are in a turn of rope in your opinion?

Whatever is indicated...

And what is it when it isn't indicated?  If someone asked you to place a turn of rope around a mast, how many degrees would you go?

[knot4u]

I disagree.  

How many degrees are in a turn of rope in your opinion?

Whatever is indicated...

And what is it when it isn't indicated?  If someone asked you to place a turn of rope around a mast, how many degrees would you go?

Back to the original question, how many degrees is a Round Turn?

For about the fifth time, if someone says "add 3 Round Turns", then the correct response is to add 3 x 360 degrees of turn.  There is no mind trick, philosophical debate or new definition needed.  There is no situation where Round Turn means 540 degrees.  Again, in the knot "Round Turn and Two Half Hitches", the initial 180 degrees is implied, and the Round Turn is still 360 degrees.

[roo]

I disagree.  

How many degrees are in a turn of rope in your opinion?

Whatever is indicated...

And what is it when it isn't indicated?  If someone asked you to place a turn of rope around a mast, how many degrees would you go?

Back to the original question, how many degrees is a Round Turn?

I answered your question twice, no, three times.   Would you like to answer my question?

[knot4u]

I disagree. 

How many degrees are in a turn of rope in your opinion?

Whatever is indicated...

And what is it when it isn't indicated?  If someone asked you to place a turn of rope around a mast, how many degrees would you go?

I might add 360 degrees, but adding 270 degrees could also be correct depending on the application.  In contrast, adding a Round Turn specifically means adding 360 degrees of turn, and that's the question at hand.  I won't look down on you if you change your vote. 

[roo]

I might add 360 degrees, but adding 270 degrees could also be correct depending on the application.  In contrast, adding a Round Turn specifically means adding 360 degrees of turn, and that's the question at hand.  I won't look down on you if you change your vote. 

If you're not sure how many degrees are in a turn, how can you be sure of the number of degrees in a round turn?

Is the Ashley Book of Knots wrong?  Are internet images wrong?

[knot4u]

By the way, no, you did not answer my question, if someone says add 3 Round Turns, how many degrees of turn are you going to add?

[knot4u]

I might add 360 degrees, but adding 270 degrees could also be correct depending on the application.  In contrast, adding a Round Turn specifically means adding 360 degrees of turn, and that's the question at hand.  I won't look down on you if you change your vote. 

If you're not sure how many degrees are in a turn, how can you be sure of the number of degrees in a round turn?

Is the Ashley Book of Knots wrong?  Are internet images wrong?

Hey, there's no need to get pissy.  It's just math, and frankly is not difficult math.

[roo]

By the way, no, you did not answer my question, if someone says add 3 Round Turns, how many degrees of turn are you going to add?

I would correct them, and say, "I think you mean you want me to add three turns".  But I'd have to be in a bad mood.

[SS369]

On the wikipedia site > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knot got towards the middle and on the right side is a picture with descriptions.


And this >      
    * A turn or single turn is a single pass behind or through an object.
    * A round turn is the complete encirclement of an object; requires two passes.
    * Two round turns circles the object twice; requires three passes.

I hope this helps.

SS

[knot4u]

By the way, no, you did not answer my question, if someone says add 3 Round Turns, how many degrees of turn are you going to add?

I would correct them, and say, "I think you mean you want me to add three turns".  But I'd have to be in a bad mood.

Wow, seriously?  OK, let's try this another way.

How many degrees of turn does 3 Round Turns have?

[roo]

I might add 360 degrees, but adding 270 degrees could also be correct depending on the application.  In contrast, adding a Round Turn specifically means adding 360 degrees of turn, and that's the question at hand.  I won't look down on you if you change your vote. 

If you're not sure how many degrees are in a turn, how can you be sure of the number of degrees in a round turn?

Is the Ashley Book of Knots wrong?  Are internet images wrong?

Hey, there's no need to get pissy.  It's just math, and frankly is not difficult math.

I assure you that no pissiness was intended.  It was a sincere inquiry.

[knot4u]

Here's another example.

Consider I tied a Buntline Hitch.  Now, consider I tied a Buntline Hitch with a Round Turn.  How many degrees of turn did I add with that Round Turn?  I'm asking for a number, not a link to Dictionary.com.

Here's my answer:  I added 360 degrees of turn when I added the Round Turn.  The Buntline Hitch already has a 180 degree turn around the object.  The confusion is people thinking the 180 degrees is part of the Round Turn.  No!  The 180 degrees is already there before the Round Turn is added.

[roo]

How many degrees of turn does 3 Round Turns have?

I think you're missing the point.  Just because people don't count in increments of 540 degrees does not mean that there isn't a coiled structure of 540 degrees called a Round Turn.

[knot4u]

How many degrees of turn does 3 Round Turns have?

I think you're missing the point.  Just because people don't count in increments of 540 degrees does not mean that there isn't a coiled structure of 540 degrees called a Round Turn.

There is none.  The 180 degrees of initial turn is already there in just about every hitch.  I keep saying this.  If you add a Round Turn, you're adding 360 degrees to the 180 degrees that's already there in the hitch, but the 180 degrees is not part of the Round Turn.

[roo]

Here's my answer:  I added 360 degrees of turn when I added the Round Turn.  The Buntline Hitch already has a 180 degree turn around the object.

Yes.

The confusion is people thinking the 180 degrees is part of the Round Turn.  No!

Actually, yes.  It's not an either-or scenario.  It's both.  There are 180 degrees in part of the Buntline Hitch (approximately)  and there are 180 degrees in part of the Round Turn.

A Round Turn Structure can exist concurrently with a Buntline Hitch or it can exist all alone.

A Round Turn and Two Half Hitches is named such because people can see each component existing concurrently.