new method for Turk's Head Knot

[Ruby]

hi, do you have an easy method to tie THK like 7Leads x 9Bights or 9B x 7L ?

I mean, tie them easily like basic 3 Leads x 2 Bights, around your fingers,
without any grid or pin or mandrel tool.

such as:
5L x 7B
7L x 5B

5L x 8B
8L x 5B

7L x 9B
9L x 7B

7L x 12B
12L x 7B

...

etc.


I'd like to share my method,
would you share your method?

[Ruby]

first, let's check it in bible ABoK:

5L x 7B  #1349  #1355
7L x 5B  #1359

5L x 8B  #1351
8L x 5B  #1357

7L x 9B #1353
9L x 7B ?

7L x 12B ?
12L x 7B ?

so, Ashley did mentioned some of this series.

but I find those braiding method hard to follow, especially if doing without pin tool.

[Ruby]

next, check in the  famous book, Introduction to Turks-head Knots, by Tomhall.

5L x 7B ?
7L x 5B  on page 35

5L x 8B on page 52
8L x 5B on page 37

7L x 9B ?
9L x 7B ?

7L x 12B ?
12L x 7B ?

so Tomhall mentioned some, but he didn't too much of this series. and the method is still braiding, though much easier to follow than Ashley's.


on Page 35, Tomhall mentioned 7L x 5B as knots with remainder 2. I think this is a very good method to categories Turk's Head Knot.

I didn't get any other new book,
so, about 30 years passed after Tomhall's book, what is the new method to tie this series of THK?

[Ruby]

check by google, I find thai

Loren Damewood at year 2000 has these tutorials:

https://www.golden-knots.com/tie7x9.html

https://www.golden-knots.com/tie7x12.html

though there're mainly pictures, but I think that's it, easy method to tie them in hand. and with colorful leads, really easy to follow.?

he didn't talk about how to expand this pattern.

[Ruby]

search in this IGKT forum,

I find that 4 years ago clsn said that:
https://forum.igkt.net//index.php?topic=6115.msg41317

I have tricks for tying all  Lx(mL +- 2) THKs

.

and he said he'd write a book to share his trick.

I wonder whether he has his book published now? any links?

[Ruby]

and,  some old magazine Knotting Matters is digitally available here

I see that there's plenty of THK related articles.

but most of them seems to rely on grid or mandrel

[Ruby]

ok, with modern cheat help of the grid maker
http://freakinsweetapps.com/knots/knotgrid/advanced.html

you can make any THK

for example for 9L x 7B you got these:
Strand 1
From A1      . . . . . . . .      to B5
From B5      . . . . . . O .      to A3
From A3      . . . . . . O .      to B7
From B7      . . . . O . O .      to A5
From A5      . . . . O . O .      to B2
From B2      . . O . O . O .      to A7
From A7      . . O . O . O .      to B4
From B4      O . O . O . O U      to A2
From A2      O . O . O . O U      to B6
From B6      O . O . O U O U      to A4
From A4      O . O . O U O U      to B1
From B1      O . O U O U O U      to A6
From A6      O . O U O U O U      to B3
From B3      O U O U O U O U      to A1


look at this instruction, those regular changing Over and Under, you know for sure that there's some easy method to tie it.

once you make it by following instruction, and untie it, you'll find that method is pretty obvious. just too easy.?

[Ruby]

from the catalog 202212 KM Index 1-157CB.xlsx  I see that Manny Sardina  has an article of A clear exposition of a method of enlarging Turks Heads Enlargements
at KM153.

I do not know how to get the content of this article.

I think maybe he has showed this method already?

[Jan van Leiden]

Those are the easy knots, Ruby. What about 9/14 or 5/23?

[Jan van Leiden]

Ruby, I ask about 9/14, because mythical chatGPT was not very informative.

A Turk's Head Knot of 9 parts and 14 bights can be made by following these steps:

• Start by making a loop with the working end of the rope, leaving a tail of about 12 inches.
• Hold the loop in your left hand, and the standing end of the rope in your right hand.
• Take the standing end of the rope and make a clockwise turn around the loop, bringing it back to the starting position.
• Make a second clockwise turn around the loop, passing over the first turn.
• Make a third clockwise turn around the loop, passing over the second turn.
• Continue making clockwise turns around the loop, working your way toward the standing end of the rope.
• Make 14 turns in total, always passing over the previous turn.
• Once you've made 14 turns, take the standing end of the rope and pass it through the center of the loop.
• Pull the standing end tight, and adjust the knot as needed to create a tight and symmetrical Turk's Head Knot.
• Finally, take the tail of the rope and tuck it under the last bight of the knot, using a marlinspike or fid to help tuck it in securely.

Congratulations, you have now made a Turk's Head Knot of 9 parts and 14 bights!

[alana]

Ruby, I ask about 9/14, because mythical chatGPT was not very informative.

Congratulations, you have now made a Turk's Head Knot of 9 parts and 14 bights!

well, what's the matter with that ?

😊

[alana]

hi, do you have an easy method to tie THK like 7Leads x 9Bights or 9B x 7L ?

I mean, tie them easily like basic 3 Leads x 2 Bights, around your fingers,
without any grid or pin or mandrel tool.

i've got nothin'!  i need a pin board,

so 7x4 is as far as i've got tying in hand,
(in 2-pass if i consult my notes)

glad you mentioned golden raito,
i have tied 5x8 somewhere,
cant find pic,
and - i needed pin board to do so -
but proportionate and appealing

[Jan van Leiden]

well, what's the matter with that ? 😊

ChatGPT creativity extending the field of knotting:)

[Ruby]

Those are the easy knots, Ruby. What about 9/14 or 5/23?

hi, Jan van Leiden, nice to meet you.

ChatGPT  is really great.  it learns things very fast.

maybe next day it can tell you clearly how to make it,
after someone give him huge amounts of book about Turks Head Knot.


I usually tie THK below 10, largest is 9x8.

but, among other knots exceed 10, 9x14 is a trivial easy one.

I can tell how to tie it in one sentence:

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first tie a THK 5x8, and then do a Left Split. done.
of course you already know how to tie all THKs below 10.


FYI:
for every THK, you can apply a Left Split, or Right Split.

for example,
apply a Right Split to 3x2, you get 5x4,
apply a Left  Split to 3x2,  you get 7x4.
I think everyone knows this?

and 5/23? currently not any experience of a THK exceed 20.
 maybe I'll find some long rope to have a try.


usually THK with 3parts or 5parts is very easy, only need long rope.
I like golden ratio THK, not too long, not too wide, and not too square.

[Ruby]

hi, alana

golden ratio THK is for knot with near by number of Fibonacci sequence:
1、1、2、3、5、8、13、21。。。
F(0)=1，F(1)=1, F(n)=F(n - 1)+F(n - 2)

such as : 3x2, 5x3, 8x5, 13x8, 21x13....

all pretty easy to tie, with similay method.

for 5x8, you can tie it around fingers without any pin board,  in one minute