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Improving "Draw/Highwayman's Hitch"

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Some decade or so ago, Roo & I pursued some places
promulgating the so-called "Highwayman's (or Draw) Hitch",
which we believed dangerous because the heavily loaded
S.Part can fold the slip-tuck toggle finish and spill or
otherwise deform the knot.  (Even if only deformed,
it then becomes pretty unreleasible as intended.)

One of my first thoughts was simply to swap the
orientations of the first two U-folds (bights) put
up against the object --i.e., to have the 2nd-cast
one put through the first (which 1st is S.Part's),
and thus the heavy load will bear upon this 2nd
U-fold --what I regard as the *frame*-- and the
slip-tuck toggle U-fold will go through the frame,
and be protected from heavy load.

I just figured another way, in which one makes
the published structure up to the 2nd step when
the 2nd U-fold is put around the S.Part's U-fold ::
NOW, this 2nd one having gone around the 1st,
pull it (2nd) back up through the 1st, and fold
the 1st around sort of larkshead-like,
and tuck the slip-bight out through the brought-up
.:.  It tightens rope materail in the frame to give
good support for the toggling bight.  The S.Part
pulls hard into its turn around a frame leg, and
only lightly pressures the toggling, slip-bight.


Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but the structure I made is quite difficult do dress and cinch.  Could you sketch it?


--- Quote from: mcjtom on April 16, 2023, 12:50:39 PM ---Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but the structure I made is quite difficult do dress and sinch.  Could you sketch it?

--- End quote ---
The first two placing of U-folds follows tradition;
but then the 2nd-placed (around 1st) U-fold is
pulled back up through 1st,
casting what might look like spectacles (-; into
the first as it is capsized for each leg to turn
around the 2nd's legs.
THEN comes some dressing-setting action,
to nudge this eyeglass bit snugger to the object,
and to pull on release tail just to bring down a bit
any excessive gap through which
the slip-tuck goes qua toggle.


Dennis Pence:
I have trouble with written descriptions as well (because I know I am a visual learner).  But here is my best guess as to what Dan seems to be suggesting.

First let me say that all of the drawings for what is usually called the Tumble Hitch (which is Dan's improvement on the Draw/Highwayman's Hitch) have most of the tying in the back of the rail.  (See Roo's Notable Knot Index, Animated Knots by GROG, or Wikipedia.) My first diagrams below show this.

I like to tie the Tumble Hitch in front (but it is exactly the same knot).  This is the second diagram.  Then I show what I think Dan is suggesting in the third diagram (but in the front so you can see more clearly what goes where).


--- Quote from: Dennis Pence on April 29, 2023, 12:45:04 AM --- Then I show what I think Dan is suggesting in the third diagram
(but in the front so you can see more clearly what goes where).

--- End quote ---
No, but in "no" you bring some further options to the table!
Your (mis)interpretation of my knot l00ks good, too --better !?

Again --and visual or not, words have pretty definite meanings--,
begin as BOOKS SHOW : S.Part's U-fold set against object;
and then next U-fold is cast AROUND(outside, surrounding) this
--not my reversing of these into "Tumble H." orienation.

So, this is the trad. way, SO FAR.
BUT THEN pull the 2nd-placed, surrounding U-fold
back up through the S.Part's,
pulling it so that it casts hard turns into S.Part's U-fold
(much like Ashley's shown Slingstone hitch #1697 & #272).
ANd one might do some size adjustments here.

Now, the slip-tuck goes out through the hauled-back-up
and the S.Part's hard bearing turns around the "frame"
of the 2nd-cast/brought-up U-fold, and less against
the slip-tuck which is pulled into this "frame".

Release might be less "quick/clean" as some others,
requiring perhaps alternating pulling of Tail & S.Part
to get it free.  But I think it avoids *traps* such as
putting in a finely nipping loop that alas can continue
finely nipping/holding, 'a la sheepshank, when one
has hoped that the overall structure will spill!
(NB : pulling on line well removed from the hitch
can be over surfaces that impede good delivery
of tension up into the knot (thinking of canyoneers
and rope running over rock).



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