ring knot inversions to decorative lanyard knots

[alana]

could be new,
decorative lanyard knots
from inverted ring knots (mats)

happy world knot tying month, for september 18 !

[KnotMe]

How did I not know that you had a Youtube channel before???  Subscribed now. 

Most of the plafond knot variants that I have in my archives are ice flower (interlaced overhand) based.

Here's some square/rectangular variants (https://bbs.zhongguojie.org/thread-229031-1-1.html)

Here's one I'm trying to decipher (https://bbs.zhongguojie.org/thread-229348-1-1.html)

For knots that are more THK based, look to lock knots (锁结).  I've made a few but not enough to understand the root characteristics in order to make original variations.

After a quick googling, there is pretty much nothing in English on lock knots.  Here's one of my series on lock knots on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CTq4sFVrEvq/)

Here's some lock knot based eye candy (https://www.zhongguojie.org/thread-229198-1-1.html)

This one is closer to what you are doing (https://bbs.zhongguojie.org/thread-232159-1-1.html)

Here's a really clear instruction set for the 6 eared lock knot (https://bbs.zhongguojie.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=15429)

These 2 explicitly make the connection between THK and lock knots (https://bbs.zhongguojie.org/thread-229031-1-1.html, https://bbs.zhongguojie.org/thread-229010-1-1.html)

[alana]

thanks, KnotMe,
and organising the links for ease of viewing
pretty things

take care,
Al

[alana]

mooore 5x4 ring knot (mat) inversions to decorative lanyard knots,
knot board,

could also be classed as practical knots, being lanyard knots, although they often are better off without a lot of weight applied...
with a decorative shoulder lanyard (knot), there isnt too much weight applied when in use, though.

the 4 bights naturally form quatrefolic shapes,
reminded me of persimmon flowers,
so the board and colours are persimmon tree themed.

i put the board together one afternoon, and in the morning when i first saw it, i wondered how the tray of ravioli got there.

other shapes include dots, diamond, square, circle, floral;
forms might include plafond, bead, medallion, button, gemstone, ... whimsy ...

the finished knots usually have a front and a back,
unless the mat was split and inverted perfectly through the middle, e.g like the coin knot video/ pic

3mm poly cord cover braided in australia

[KnotMe]

Not enough resolution to read the tags.   

[alana]

https://flic.kr/p/2p7SehH
higher res pic here!

thanks for having a look
(and a tye)

[KnotMe]

So, all the variants are from the 5x4?  I had thought that some of them would have needed a bigger base to work from.  Must try for your other variants.  It was hard to get the first configuration with my satin cord, should try with some poly-braid or paracord.

[alana]

heya,
yes they're from the 5x4,
'but' four different weaves: uo, uuoo, uoou, and uuou
... mostly uo.
there's about 220 all-up
that i know of

dropping down to 3x4 rings (like our IGKT logo?),
there's maybe 20

and then up to 7x4, mostly just the uo weave and the uuoo weave,
i've tied about 60 of them, but there comes a time when you have to say 'that's quite enough knot tying for today'!

(but not before a couple of 9x4's, my notes say 'bit unfeasible')

i do want to share more how-to charts / video, soon;
i planned to,
but my time and health constraints mean that ... my notes will have to suffice!
attached is "5x4 uuoo 3rd pair, sides, Right"

yes, the mat diagram is on its side, as i'm right-handed, and when i first began notating, that's how i oriented the diagram, heh

[KnotMe]

heya,
yes they're from the 5x4,
'but' four different weaves: uo, uuoo, uoou, and uuou
... mostly uo.

ah!  I have done zero experimentation with non-standard weave THKs.  Must get on that! 

there's about 220 all-up
that i know of

dropping down to 3x4 rings (like our IGKT logo?),
there's maybe 20

and then up to 7x4, mostly just the uo weave and the uuoo weave,
i've tied about 60 of them, but there comes a time when you have to say 'that's quite enough knot tying for today'!

(but not before a couple of 9x4's, my notes say 'bit unfeasible')

i do want to share more how-to charts / video, soon;
i planned to,
but my time and health constraints mean that ... my notes will have to suffice!
attached is "5x4 uuoo 3rd pair, sides, Right"

yes, the mat diagram is on its side, as i'm right-handed, and when i first began notating, that's how i oriented the diagram, heh

When I was trying your WKTD how-to, the biggest issues were

• duplicating the base knot exactly (in case there were some non-standard overs or unders that were key) 
  - if that's never the case, if they're all standard mats then the only worry might be chirality?
• locating the top loop

Looking at your 5x4 uuoo notes, one assumes the big green circles are the sides of your plafond that you hold while pushing the rest of the knot to the back while the small circle is the top loop.  (tried it, yep).  Not sure what the arrow meant tho.

[alana]

KnotMeee thanks for having a go at deciphering my note - successfully

the arrow thing... the midpoint can be threaded from the left hand side to form a different knot,
quite sure you'll be able to coax it into fprmation.
the notation would might be "5x4 uuoo, 3rd (pairs), Sides, Left"

the base mat of the vid demo 'coin' is the uuoo mat that will tie off to form the single strand ring knot
by running the working end across the standing part then through the centre of the ring, and making a cylinder.
makes an attractive bead, too, when lightly tightened up, one of my faves.
asemery showed in a tutorial how to tie the 2-strand version, another fave.

still discovering things about these knots.
i hadn't thought too much about chirality,
but yeh, pretty significant, that'll give twice as many choices,
knots, so many knots ...

[alana]

maybe a year ago i began inverting ring mats by picking up sets of segments,  etc etc, as shown in the original post;
this went on and kept going on for about 200 different lanyard knots,
many possible variations,
i was compiling a booklet / pdf,
had put together aknotomy charts as shown below,
(see pics),
eventually found that of the hundreds, maybe 5% of them have have a classical appeal, like a handful of music chords out of hundreds;
all the knots (and chords) have legit existence, but a handful of them have more beauty and balance than the rest.

and theeen i discovered that the mat can just be tightened into a lanyard knot,
as shown in this post
https://forum.igkt.net/index.php?topic=7485.0

and theeen, i discovered that another reasonable lanyard knot can be formed by tying the ring mat into its cylinder shape, and simply folding the cylinder into an hourglass shape and flattening it. it forms a button
https://forum.igkt.net/index.php?topic=7507.0

so instead of the inversion blather,  or - additional to it -
the simple tightening of the mat
and
the folding of the cylinder of the mat
are simple and aesthetic alternatives.

[KnotMe]

maybe a year ago i began inverting ring mats by picking up sets of segments,  etc etc, as shown in the original post;
this went on and kept going on for about 200 different lanyard knots,
many possible variations,
i was compiling a booklet / pdf,

I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd love to see the booklet, even if incomplete and you've decided to change course. 

[alana]

thanks KnotMe,
i really wanted to put it together; maybe 20 knots;
at this (st)age, though, booklet's too much work,
videos seem easier to demo and to follow;

i was thinking maybe one of the nutters from zhongguojie could have a go and run with it,
or one of us at IGKT who's caught on (looking at you) could just ... write it!

will see if i can keep adding some diagrams and hopefully they are decipherable.

[KnotMe]

i was thinking maybe one of the nutters from zhongguojie could have a go and run with it,
or one of us at IGKT who's caught on (looking at you) could just ... write it!

In the real world, I am a person with no directional sense at all, and atrocious powers of geometric visualization.  I have to work hard to generate mental landmarks for knots and once I stop working on a particular knot for a while, I might lose those landmarks until I get started again.  Which is all to say that I'm going to need to see more of your thought processes before I can take the ball, if ever....?

will see if i can keep adding some diagrams and hopefully they are decipherable.

sounds good.

[alana]

In the real world, I am a person with no directional sense at all, and atrocious powers of geometric visualization.  I have to work hard to generate mental landmarks for knots and once I stop working on a particular knot for a while, I might lose those landmarks until I get started again.

at first i thought that your knotwork shows no evidence of lacking real-world sense of direction/ visualising geometry!, but yeh, i get it... i forget knots and processes unless i practise!
at least 2 times i forgot how i'd tied something, spent a day looking for it,
so then eventually learned to write them down

ok i'll upload some more pics, eventually ... 
☺ Al