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alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2024, 09:43:23 AM »

       Hi All, 
               I have a Butterfly Bend (Improve Version). Hope you like it.

alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2024, 07:52:16 AM »

     
       Hi All,
                I have this Double Connection Bend(Improve Version) looking good to me.
                 More information about "Double Connection Bend" Please see link below.
                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0U-S6mM_Cg&t=59s   Thanks.

alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2024, 08:18:13 AM »

    Hi All,
             Here is another Bend that I like. I think there is more to do with the same technic. Thanks.

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2024, 07:23:45 AM »
In relation to your post at 'reply 45'

Thanks Alan, nicely presented and an interesting variation.
(also 'TIB').
An old saying... "Its hard to build a better mousetrap"!
The original #1053 Butterfly is very simple and relatively easy to tie (and can be tied one handed).
To improve on it is no easy task!

I had played with your posted variation some years back - but thought it 'unwieldly' but nevertheless interesting.
While trying to re-tie your presentation from memory (without looking at your images as a reference) - I ended up with the variation shown in my attached images.
I have no idea if you or anyone else had previously tied my presented variation?
I am not finding the search function user friendly... searches for Butterfly variations isn't producing helpful results.

Anyhow, I am using the working title "XT Butterfly" (Xtra Turn Butterfly).
Its 'TIB' (Tiable In the Bight) - meaning the knot can be tied without access to any end.
I note Mr Lehman using 'NSUE' (a French term), instead of "TIB", citing issues with the word 'Bight'.
I'll tender my new term... 'MRT' (Mid Rope Tiable) to add to the vernacular.
I'm not claiming that I invented the term 'Mid Rope Tiable' - its been thrown about before (but, it does seem logical).
EDIT
Another acronym for you is "TWATE" (Tiable Without Access To an End).
There you have it... 'MRT' or 'TWATE'  :)
[I can see how the term 'TWATE' can be humorously modified!]

Anyhow, I did not post my presented variation in New Knot Investigations - because I believe Alan or Xarax had likely tied it before...
« Last Edit: August 22, 2024, 08:46:57 AM by agent_smith »

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2024, 07:49:35 AM »
Hi Alan,

Just following on from your work...

I've added 3 images (see below).

First image is an integration of F8+Crossing hitch.
Second mage is an integration of an F8+simple overhand knot.
Third image is just showing more detail of the F8 + overhand bend.

I've checked through this topic thread - but cant find these particular variations.

I assume that you or someone else will leap forth from the key board and claim them faster than you can say "Eureka"!

...

I've simply been trying to follow a consistent path... starting with a simple F8 as a base.
Then, I try to integrate either a Crossing hitch, or a simple overhand knot.
By following a consistent approach like this, I believe a lot of new discoveries can be made.
I like to use an end-to-end joining knot (ie 'bend') as the fundamental base - and then try to derive corresponding eye knots.

I believe that it is highly unlikely that they are original creations (very improbable).
« Last Edit: August 22, 2024, 08:37:23 AM by agent_smith »

zoranz

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2024, 11:03:04 PM »
Hi Alan!
In relation to your post at 'reply 47', first picture: Bend ? is variation of the Hunter's bend, where the tails make a twist around each other (are "crossed" = X-ed to each other). The picture (and description) is by Xarax.
ZoranZ

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2024, 08:58:03 AM »
      Hi All,
             I am glad Kost_Greg created the figure 9 geometry, and I got it turned into a Nice looking
             "Figure 9 geometry_ Bend (Improve version)".
               For more details, please see the links below.
                  Getting old health issue started to slow me down.
                    There is more to do with this kind of maneuvering.
                    https://forum.igkt.net/index.php?topic=6822.0
                    https://forum.igkt.net/index.php?topic=6822.15

                    Thanks Mark and zoranz for your participation.
           
« Last Edit: August 24, 2024, 09:29:27 AM by alanleeknots »

alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2024, 09:00:42 AM »

            Two more pictures here, Thanks

agent_smith

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2024, 10:21:36 AM »
Hi Alan,
Your post at reply #51 actually looks like 2 integrated Crossing hitches.
It is quite interesting - I haven't seen Crossing hitches integrated in this way before.
Shame its not "TWATE" (Tiable Without Access To an End), but still interesting.

If this was "TWATE" it would be a contender for Butterfly knot replacement...

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2024, 03:58:19 AM »
Hi Alan!
In relation to your post at 'reply 47', first picture: Bend ? is variation of the Hunter's bend
 where the tails make a twist around each other (are "crossed" = X-ed to each other).
The picture (and description) is by Xarax.
ZoranZ
No, you've got it wrong (pretty sure Xarax got it right) ::
Tails exit Over if S.Parts enter x-ing UNDER or vice versa.
(And what you show is ABoK #1426.)  The variation is
the better end-2-end joint, w/nicer S.Parts curvature
and more jam resistant.  (Harry Asher noted but dismissed
the version --tsk, tsk!)

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2024, 04:27:35 PM »
Hi Dan and all,
I cited https://forum.igkt.net/index.php?topic=4561.msg29537#msg29537. Because all the pictures are not available (I can see only one), I posted that only one. So, I was confused and thought that I was right. Of course, both You and Xarax know better and more.
But, I was surprised that the knot is in ABoK. #1426. Looking at the final results, they seem different to me.
Regards, ZZ
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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #56 on: August 25, 2024, 05:03:07 PM »
Hi Alan, Dan and all!
I finally found a better picture of Hunter's X bend, the variation where the tails are crossed. The author (of the picture) is Xarax. That bend was shown by Alan, he didn't know the name...
Of course, I don't think I have the last word :)
Regards, ZZ
« Last Edit: August 26, 2024, 12:04:35 PM by zoranz »

alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2024, 08:42:16 AM »

                   Hi zoranz, Thank you very much for your search and help. Good work.

                      Just sharing another Bend here, there are many more comings.
                         Thanks.

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2024, 11:17:59 PM »

        Just another Interlocked Crossing hitch Bend V2.

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #59 on: September 10, 2024, 02:05:18 AM »
   
   Hi All,
            Just to share two unique bends here, they are well secure and easy to untie after heavy loading.
             They are awesome and beautiful.  Hope you like it too. Thanks.

 

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