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Kost_Greg

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2024, 06:58:10 AM »
Hi Alan

I'm not sure if it is unique, in the sense that it has never been recorded before, but i do love such effective and exceptional bend mechanisms with these special bowline characteristics that make a difference at the loosening stage.

I think Ychan would also appreciate such a mechanism to grace his bend archives, unless, of course , he has already developed it.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2024, 01:06:19 PM by Kost_Greg »
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Dan_Lehman

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #61 on: September 16, 2024, 11:37:19 PM »
   
   Hi All,
            Just to share two unique bends here,
            they are well secure and easy to untie after heavy loading.
Yes, I discovered these (or one of...) e2e Joints myself,
and concur in your feelings about them.  They have a
lovely curvature to the S.Part, strong nipping of the Tails,
and easy untying --the sort of joint one would want to use
for say tying 11mm low-elongation kernmantle ropes together
for pulling a stuck vehicle!
IMO, they are kin to Ashley's #1425, a knot due more recognition.
Now, how strong are these sorts of things --is that "lovely curvature"
giving strength, or rather movement->heat->weakness (alas) !?

--dl*
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alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2024, 07:56:11 AM »

     Thanks for all the replies. Sure, Ychan has many bends, some of his simple bends may have a good chance.
        Apply these techniques and turn them into good bends. If anyone is interested in playing with it,
          you are more than well come. Thanks.

       

siriuso

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #63 on: September 18, 2024, 08:37:16 AM »
Hi Alan

Well done.

Happy Mid-Autumn Festival Day.

yChan

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2024, 11:07:43 PM »
Very interesting creations Alan - thank you.
The knots in 'reply 62' display a unique technical genius.
The integration of 'Crossing hitches' and 'Bights' is demonstrating and opening up new ways of thinking.

I like the logic behind the geometry - where you have tried to build a creation around a 'Crossing hitch'.
I believe that a large part of your motivation was to achieve resistance to jamming.

EDIT NOTE:
Dan Lehman appears to making a counter-claim that he also discovered one of your presented knots?
It is not made clear as to precisely which knot he is claiming?
Although Dan had previously intimated that he cares little for 'Academy awards' and/or recognition of achievement?
In that; there is no recognition or award given to the creator of a knot?
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siriuso

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2024, 02:10:04 PM »
Hi Alan

Re Rely #39.

I have working on your Bowline Bend #1034 half, and found some question. Is the "A" rope goes under "B" rope? I have posted my findings here. It is always better to present new knots with loosen knot pictures or tying method.

yChan

alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2024, 09:03:46 AM »
       Hi yChan,
                     I hear you will fix it later.
                      I have two bends here. Please let me know if I have named it correctly.
                        Thanks alanleeknots

alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2024, 09:06:50 AM »

           ABOK #1425

siriuso

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2024, 10:43:23 AM »
Hi Alan

You can name your bends whatever you like. IMO, the Knot Base (i.e. Reef Knot, Thief Knot, ABOK#1010 etc.) can be omitted. The name of types/variations should be placed between the name and the last word "Bend".

At this moment, I find your discovered bend "Lee's Unconventional Bend V2" is the same as my "Teepee Bend" in my folders. Please check my folders.

You may find my folders are useful in identifying whether it is a new bend or not. The methods are by Appearance, Loops Form/Knot Base.

Happy Knotting
yChan


alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2024, 06:26:19 PM »

             Hi yChan,
                           Congratulations, you have a created a great Bend. All the hard work paid off.
                             Such a bend is hard to come by. Enjoy it the rest of your life.


Dan_Lehman

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2024, 04:05:18 AM »
           ABOK #1425
The e2e joint shown (both top & bottom) in the lower part of
the 2nd/middle image is a good find :: it seems to pretty well
redress the problem of distortion in the like knot that lacks
these crossed Tails --a "False Zeppelin" it's often called.
I've long been annoyed that Thrun's Joint /Zeppelin lacked
a nice exit of the Tails; one could dress them into position
where the S.Parts' draw would pull them to some apparent
decent effect, but that was somewhat iffy in stability.
HowNotTo's testing has shown amazing distortion in the
Thrun's Joint, and I wonder if this "crossed" False Zep.
might fare better (as crossing Tails also improves the
SmitHunter's Joint) ?!


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Dan_Lehman

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2024, 04:21:51 AM »
Dan Lehman appears to making a counter-claim
that he also discovered one of your presented knots?
It is not made clear as to precisely which knot he is claiming?
Although Dan had previously intimated that he cares little for 'Academy awards'
and/or recognition of achievement?
In that; there is no recognition or award given to the creator of a knot?
I've illustrated several of these e2e joints,
but am not sure what pushed me in their direction
--e.g., was I aiming for non-jamming structure,
or "riffing" on Ashley's under-appreciated #1425.
What's "counter", here?
It is of some value to understand what paths led to some
knotted structure.  Sometimes it's the oops-I-got-that-wrong
path when aiming for something else.  Today, in looking over
the particular image of quite "exploded"/open/loose Grapevine
Joint I mentally reversed one crossing and got --and soon had
sketched, lest it be FORgotTEN-- a pull-together joint using
Fig.9s :: might it have a benefit over the Strangles?  (I'm
thinking of less rope-flow of the coils of each half.)

The loverly "Teepee" structure looks to be to be quite
UNjammable, and with strong-looking (to my UNtrained eye)
S.Part curvature.  But, as I remarked above,
Now, how strong are these sorts of things --is that "lovely curvature"
giving strength, or rather movement->heat->weakness (alas) !?


Heavy loading I think will go without much issue;
but cyclic back'n'forth in a tow line, well, maybe
there one would see chafing wear?!


--dl*
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siriuso

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #72 on: September 27, 2024, 08:25:45 AM »
Hi Alan

Re Reply#67.

This presented photo shows the knot base is Neat & New Crossed A Bend. This Neat & New Crossed A Bend is the reverse of ABOK#1425 Bend. So should you rename your new bend. I will include your new bend in my folders.

yChan

alanleeknots

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #73 on: September 27, 2024, 06:54:08 PM »

              Hi yChan,
                             I am getting confused and I am not sure ? I don't know how to reverse Abok #1425.
                                May need some help from Mark or any knot Tyers. Thanks alanleeknots.

siriuso

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Re: Lee's Super 8 Loop & other nipping structure
« Reply #74 on: September 27, 2024, 07:56:39 PM »
Hi Alan

A bend has 2 standing parts and 2 working ends. You just shift the 2 standing parts to become 2 working ends and eventually the original working ends become standing parts. Then this is the reverse bend of the original bend. Some reverse will become another bend, some will not. Reverse of ABOK#1424 is not a bend, but a loops form. ABOK#1425 Bend's reverse is Neat & New Crossed A Bend.

yChan