Practical? Loops.

[alanleeknots]

Great work on the quick release loop too, When the loop appears, to see it is easy,
          to create the loop, it is a totally different story.

  Hi Andreas,
          My poor English, and what I wrote above, may miss lead peoples to think the wrong way.
         What I mean above is just to let our reader know it is not easy to create such a wonderful loop.
         We have failed many times and after many many attempts with some luck, we got it built.
         I have no doubt about your ability, I trustfully believe you have created this loop too.
         Enjoy your new knots.
         Also thanks Greg and Dan' input and participation.  alanlee.


               

[Andreas]

Thanks Alan, your english is just fine, I understood like this.

Thank you for your comment on Nr 1. 

Actually in this particular case, things we're more complicated. I tied the "simple lock" that you shared some time ago, before I saw you doing it, but did not pay much attention. When you posted simple lock, I got interested again, which lead to my own challenge to "use a tail bight through the nipping loop well!".

So all this tying that was needed to arrive to Nr 1. And Nr. 2  I did with your support, not by myself 

See below another result, from your idea. It can be compared with the EBSB bowline.
Not so original, but I like the way it ties, and tightens and unties.
And how secure it seems to be. Nice candidate for harness tie in?!

[Andreas]

I tried to find the knot that Xarax was refering to in his first reply. #1.

I had no success...

" Lee s quick release adjustable loop.jpg. "
You know which knot was meant?

[alana]

i tried tying the clapper loop upside down or mirror image or left-handed or something,
and got this mis tye,
but the back of it features an aster shape which always appeals to my eye;
and it still seems functional

[Kost_Greg]

Alana, it's hard for me to folllow all the rope components routing in your core, more details are required, perhaps a loose knot or a more distinct illustrated form.

Without being absolutely sure, dare i surmise that you have probably locked the nipping loop, instead of locking the first inserted bight (white arrow in the attached image).

Such maneuver creates a completely different knot, but i need to see more detail for a comprehensive view about its performance.

So, with some reservation, i would claim that the clapper loop was probably mistied.

I tried to find the knot that Xarax was refering to in his first reply. #1.

I had no success...

" Lee s quick release adjustable loop.jpg. "
You know which knot was meant?

Lucky for us, Xarax tends to keep a record of good knots. See second attached image.

About the knot at reply#16, i reserve some comments for another reply.

[alana]

  perhaps a loose knot
...
you have probably locked the nipping loop, instead of locking the first inserted bight (white arrow in the attached image).

yes pardon my previous pic not very clear,
i think i have done the white arrow thing you described,
here he is again, the poor bastard!,
still sturdy, though?
with some weight on it, the front folds inward and downward,
such that the aster is on the outside.
(looks tidy with the end pulled right through (not pictured)).

even though i have bonk-tyed it - sorry Andreas ! - its form and balance seem to be maintained?,
and with a decorative dab 

[Kost_Greg]

Thank you Alana, much more clear visual now, i see that you have followed a quite different strategy to complete your design, with interpretable, in-between, tying stages.

So, instead of pushing a bight through a loop, you have done the exact opposite, feeding the nipping loop, up through a bight, whose (bight) tail is lying inside the eye and under the out-going, eye leg continuation (first image).

Next, you have actually folded the nipping loop over these two lines (out-going eyeleg, tail), then pulling those lines up through the nipping loop, and passing the final bight under the lines, in marlin spike fashion (second image).

1. Since you have been fiddling with your nipping component by adding more complexity with the refolding maneuver, you'll have to expect more difficulty at the loosening situation, compared to Alan Lee and Andreas profile, with the simple nipping loop.

 

still sturdy, though?

2. While your design, appears to forge a stable core at medium loadings, the side (or the angle), from which your returning line is entering in your nipping core, is not the most suitable, which might trigger some distortion conditions in your nipping structure at higher loads.

However, the poor bastard is a great idea, maybe in my view, with some modification at the insertion angle of the returning line.

Of course, the exploding property is still in force.

[Kost_Greg]

This is an example, following from my previous reply, about the insertion angle of the returning line, using Alana's method, shown in her clapp_awk project.

1. Pass the returning line over the nipping loop and under SP as shown in first image.

2. Fold the nipping loop over the two lines (out-going, returning line) and pull the two lines up through the nipping loop in marlin spike fashion, as shown in second image.

3. Form a bight with the tail and lock it under the two lines.

Is the profile of third and fourth image identifiable?

Tip : Exploded or not the knot is tiable in the bight (TIB).

Answer : "Tugboat version of Scott's locked bowline"

[Andreas]

Congratulations Kostas. Great use of Alanas scouting )

I have a guess this is a winner as a posteye tie/untie. And it's a solution for my starting idea for nr2. :  to construct a secure "exploding" loop.

 I will practise tying and get back.

Any comments for this knot as a harness tie in anyone?



Below a real scott lock   ..but pseudo version of "bight through the nipping loop". Which now fits here  )
Secure indeed but slick only as a reverse: a nipping loop through a bight (tail) structure.
.. good tie in?!  ..It's every checking partners dream  )

[Kost_Greg]

About the tugboat Scott's locked variation, yes it is very secure with a super easy tying method, but as i mentioned previously, i'm not so sure about its ease of untying, even with loads, so much as 6 or 7 times X bodyweight.

You see, it's like loading Scott's knot from its most complex component, the returning structure, adding 50% additional strain, which at some point will definitely induce jamming.

When i see a profile like your SymmetricalScott, with so neatly organised, very easily inspected components, i usually have great expectations about its functionality.

The same stands for the knot at reply#16, which is a combination of two good techniques in nipping loop stabilization, EBSB, and simple lock.

I'm not sure about the use of the bight collar encircling the returning line, but i don't feel like fiddling with it and ruin the symmetry of the knot.

The only thing that concerns me, is the squeezing conditions inside the nipping loop, caused by the end bound (or myrtle) turns as they hold very tight the nipping loop's crossing point.

Not exactly the best part of the knot to interact with, after heavy loading, compared to a U fold is it?

Hopefully, the pliability of a bowline-like loop is not being compromised in such a good and very compact knot.

Excellent, way of synthesizing the components!

[Andreas]

Good save, really like lees'  adjustable one. )  thanks

And yes tugboat scott jams up early, I got too excited too quickly..

There are two more knots that belong here as we're at it,  pushing bights over the cross of the nipping loop to create more "Exploding loops"

Actually these two versions are the result of pushing a nipping loop over a nipping loop...

[Andreas]

Nr 3 should be compared with Nr 2 I guess.

Nr 4.  Not sure this is stable under load. But looks good and ties  and opens really well.

Start like an alpine butterly, withouth pushing the bight through

[alanleeknots]

Hi Andreas, good work. Nice creation on reply on #25 and #26. I think Master Xarax has tied it before.
                  I am just too busy myself, and don't have time to search for the links.
                  Anyway, you are walking on the right path.
                 Have time, I will respond to your EBSB +u turn and (real scott lock   ..but pseudo version of "bight through the nipping loop". Which now fits here  )
                 I have many quick releases and adjustable loops and will look for  them and share them here.
                    alanlee

[Andreas]

Great. Will be good to have your and Xarax' knots back in public

[alanleeknots]

 
       Restore missing loops.