Author Topic: Is it possible to make a variant of the spanish bow line with 3 loops ?  (Read 601 times)

Knutern

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Recently, I was pondering about this. I have tried some attempts myself by trying to use the collar (middle point, not sure I use correct term here) as a third eye, but that structure isn't stable/secure.

As a fun thing, I tried to ask the perplexity.ai search engine this question: "can a Spanish bow line with be tied in such a way that it get 3 eyes and also stable and secure ?" - but the answer was of no meaning.

You guys have any ideas on this is possible. I know the bowline on bight can be altered so it get 3 eyes, but that is a very different double loop.
I'm aiming for knots that is secure, AND that is easy to untie.

Kost_Greg

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Re: Is it possible to make a variant of the spanish bow line with 3 loops ?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2024, 12:47:40 AM »
Interesting question indeed, but most likely, you might get an answer here, by some knot enthusiast/expert, before any other AI search engine, for such a specialised and technical knotting concept, or you might even develop such a variation by yourself.

What's the objective here?If you require three splayed, fixed loops and one collar, well, i'm not sure how this can be done.

However, a combination of a non-splayed spanish bowline configuration with a french bowline with communicating loops, might formulate three eyes without excessive rope usage.

If you are not familiar with the non-splayed spanish version, by knotsaver, you probably won't get the idea, perhaps the attached photos might offer a guidance plan to begin with.

Edit note :

The french approach with two communicating eyes via nipping loop, might be accomplished in the splayed loop spanish version as well.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2024, 07:34:22 AM by Kost_Greg »
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Kost_Greg

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Re: Is it possible to make a variant of the spanish bow line with 3 loops ?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2024, 01:32:41 PM »
For more detail about this concept i have attached the splayed triple version of the spanish french bowline.

Spanish component? ν (Connection of left/right eye via bowline collar).

French component? ν (Communication of left middle eye via left nipping loop).

TIB? ν (tied or untied without access to either end).

EEL? ν (either end loadable).

All three eyes must be equally loaded.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2024, 01:58:21 PM by Kost_Greg »
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Knutern

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Re: Is it possible to make a variant of the spanish bow line with 3 loops ?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2024, 05:02:01 PM »
Thanks very much for great ideas.

No, in fact I've never heard about the splayed Spanish loop variant.

Ok, so making this by threading is quite straight forward thanks to good images. However I do struggle to find a proper way to tie this TIB.

The three eye variant I must do some more time figuring out for myself, but thanks a lot for ideas.

Ok, you asked what the purpose of this was. Well, the Spanish bowline have the practical advantage over a bow line on a bight that the eye loops takes a little less effort to adjust. So I was thinking that if this could be make with more loops then it makes for a great solution where I want load sharing - and without the disadvantage of the loops partially collapse as is the issue when using just bowline with multiple loops.
I know this is too soon to claim being a good idea when it comes to safety and I promise I won't put myself or any material in danger, at least not before I got to test this and make it to know this variant(s) better.

I'm aiming for knots that is secure, AND that is easy to untie.

Kost_Greg

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Re: Is it possible to make a variant of the spanish bow line with 3 loops ?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2024, 02:47:52 PM »
I have to add a clarification about the splayed and non-splayed variants if i got this right.

Splayed : ====> the eyes lie flat next to one other, (example: Spanish bowline).

Non-splayed : ====> the eyes are stacked on to one other, (example: Bowline on a bight).

I believe the triple Spanish/french bowline might be an enticing prospect for two reasons.

1. Improved load distribution

2. Improved nipping loop stability due to the three rope diameters passing through.

There is another interesting approach about this triple eye concept.

One has to combine components from three knots, starting with a cowboy with very long tail, then continue with the portuguesse with communicating eyes and finally complete the knot with a bowline on a bight finish.

It's also TIB and EEL, and perhaps it's the european bowline?

A good thing about these TIB structures with parallel SPs, is that one (tail) might be strangled around the other (SP) for those who seek extra security.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2024, 03:13:35 PM by Kost_Greg »
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